I will never forgive Ron Rivera for two things.

[TheRumGone]

people act like Rivera should be perfect.

 

All coaches, rookie or not, make mistakes. Jim and John Harbaugh are not perfect, the Emperor is not perfect. Coaches have to put the players in the best situation to win. Which Rivera did more often than not. 

 

I would suggest reading that article somebody else posted here recently. It kind of explains the late defeats we had based on our defensive handicaps.  Rivera is a good coach, but I wish he would be a little better about the "excuses" he says to the media.

 

Some people don't get how great of a coach Rivera is because they don't see the details.

 

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/daSf2?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=carolina-panthers

 

I know it's bleacher report but it is actually a great article. or maybe it's cat scratch reader i dunno, but read it.

 

[panthers55]

In Chicago we came back from that, it was Rivera soft coverage poo that lost the game. THEY RAN THE SAME PLAY FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. Down the field.

Do we know that Rivera called the coverage or did McDermott or Wilkes for that matter?  Did any of them tell Norman to play soft or did Norman do that on his own? Given he was pulled shortly thereafter, I would guess Norman didn't do his job correctly.  

 

Why it is instantly Ron's fault when it likely was shared by a number of other guys on the field and in the coaching staff.  Sure he is the head coach but I promise you he didn't tell Norman to let the bears go down the field and kick the field goal.  

[SuperJTheGreat]

Do we know that Rivera called the coverage or did McDermott or Wilkes for that matter?  Did any of them tell Norman to play soft or did Norman do that on his own? Given he was pulled shortly thereafter, I would guess Norman didn't do his job correctly.  

 

Why it is instantly Ron's fault when it likely was shared by a number of other guys on the field and in the coaching staff.  Sure he is the head coach but I promise you he didn't tell Norman to let the bears go down the field and kick the field goal.  

He said in an interview after the game that he called the soft coverage.

[panthers55]

He said in an interview after the game that he called the soft coverage.

He always falls on the sword and takes the blame for everything, that is one of the things players like about him and the reason fans are so critical.  If it wasn't Norman's fault then why was he replaced after this game.

[Cyberjag]

This is kind of a fun list to chew on.  Basically, it's a list of all coaches who were active at the end of last season and their predecessors. The first part contains all the coaches who managed to string together back-to-back winning seasons. I list their first non-losing season, and then the first winning season of what would become back-to-back winning seasons (which is why you don't see John Fox).

Ken Wisenhunt, first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 2
Mike Smith, first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 1
John Harbaugh, first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 1
Lovie Smith, first non-losing season: 2, first winning season: 2
Marv Lewis, first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 9
Mike McCarthey, first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 4
Dennis Green (Minn), first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 1
Brian Billick, first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 2
Wade Phillips (Buffalo), first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 1
Wade Phillips (Dallas), first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 1
Mike Sherman, first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 1
Gary Kubiak, first non-losing season: 2, first winning season: 6
Jim Caldwell, first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 1
Jack Del Rio, first non-losing season: 2, first winning season: 2
Brad Childress, first non-losing season: 2, first winning season: 3
Pete Carroll (NE), first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 1
Bill Belichick, first non-losing season: 2, first winning season: 2
Sean Payton, first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 4
Tom Coughlin (Jax), first non-losing season: 2, first winning season: 2
Tom Coughlin (NYG), first non-losing season: 2, first winning season: 4
Rex Ryan, first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 1
Andy Reid, first non-losing season: 2, first winning season: 2
Mike Tomlin, first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 1
Norv Turner (Was), first non-losing season: 3, first winning season: 3
Norv Turner (SD), first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 3
Jim Harbaugh, first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 1
Jeff Fisher (TN), first non-losing season: 3, first winning season: 3
Mike Shanahan (Den), first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 2
Ray Rhodes (Phil), first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 1
Bill Cowher, first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 1
Marty Schottenheimer (KC), first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 1
Marty Schottenheimer (SD), first non-losing season: 1, first winning season: 3

Of the remainder who had winning years, but never had back to back ones, here's when they had their first winning year:
Chan Gailey (Dal), 1
John Fox (Car), 2
John Fox (Den), 2
Jim Schwartz, 3
Dick Jauron (Chi), 3
Eric Mangini (NYJ), 1
Dom Capers (Car), 2
Mike Mularkey (Buf), 1
Romeo Crennel (Cle), 3
Todd Haley, 2
Tony Sparano, 1
Leslie Frazier, 3
Pete Carrol (Sea), 3
Bill Belichick (Cle), 4
Mike Munchak, 1
Mike Shanahan (Was), 3
Jim Haslett (NO), 1
Jim Fassel, 1
Jim Mora (Atl), 1
Raheem Morris, 2

And here are the ones who have never had a winning season
Pat Shurmer
Jason Garrett (broke even first full year)
Bobby Petrino
Josh McDaniels (broke even in his first year)

Rod Marinelli
Joe Philbin (first year was 2012)
Dennis Allen (first year was 2012)

Greg Schiano (first year was 2012)
Hue Jackson (broke even in his only year)
Mike Singletary (broke even in his second year)

Steve Spagnoulo
Jim Zorn (broke even in his first year)
Ron Rivera

 

Take it for what it's worth...

[Jangler]

Oh my god get over it he's the coach for the time being stop bitching Jesus Christ.

 

There will always be a part of the fan base that doesn't like the Coach, the QB, the color of the endzones, why the asshole in front of me is telling me to shut up at a football game (I understand that one) And will come to MBs to bitch about it. Let'em, you knew what the thread was about before you opened it. It's those stealth bitching threads that piss me off...

[Razeyfingers]

He always falls on the sword and takes the blame for everything, that is one of the things players like about him and the reason fans are so critical.

 

Thats a very strong leadership quality, but not the only quality unfortunately that makes one strong. Eh, 3 is the magic number, my fingers are crossed. My problems with Rivera are with only one thing. Can he be a leader of men? the total package. Thats what Im looking to find out this year.

[Ivan The Awesome]

I'LL NEVUR FORGIVZ RIVIERA FOR USING A FEDORA HAT AT FA KENTUKY DURBIEZ! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!1!1!

[FootballMaestro]

Look I am a huge Newton fan lobbying for him all along, i have his jersey etc.  But to say the coach had more mistakes to lose games than Newton is just illogical.  How many interceptions has Newton had in the past 2 years?  How many fumbles?  Each error a quarterback makes can lose the game.  He also has the chance to come back and win with a great play.  Unfortunately he hasn't really done that as often as I would like the past 2 years.   But any realist knows that players and quarterbacks in particular are usually very responsible for whether we win or lose both positively or negatively.  Is it all their fault?  No you lose or win as a team.  But it takes little effort to document that more of the losses we have had in the last 2 years were due to errors that newton and all quarterbacks make versus ones that Rivera made.  With that said, unless Newton threw the ball up in the air or into the ground, there were also receivers that didn't catch it either so the blame is shared.  Like Smitty falling down on the pick 6 versus Chicago.

 

Let's put it this way/in a nutshell (since you keep inexplicably bringing Cam into it): 

 

Cam Newton has been a better first and second year player/QB, than Ron Rivera has been a head coach. It's that simple. 

 

Anyone, who believes otherwise, is just fooling themselves, or Rivera's wife, cousin, brother, friend or assistant coach. 

 

It is what it is. It's not Ron bashing. He's made a lot of mistakes (both on and off the field), and has been clueless many times, while doing so. 

 

Yes, Rivera has been one of the worst coaches in the NFL during his tenure. Cam Newton, has been one of the best players and QB's during his. Even the various, assorted polls, and rankings back this up. Many people (especially here) respect Rivera's potential, yes. But almost no one, respects the job he's done as coach so far.  

 

This is not to say RR can't get better. He should/I hope he does (especially under the tutelage of Gettlemen). And I wish him well. But to try to say, 'he's made less mistakes or blunders than Cam (comparatively speaking, regarding each's individuals job/responsibility, position)' is ludicrous. 

 

There's a reason, why a whole lot more Panther fans, want to get rid of Rivera, over Newton (until show/proven otherwise), while he's continually rated a bad coach. And its' not just cause he's had losing seasons. 

[MHS831]

Fox's game management was suspect too, especially early in his career.  The windfall of talent he inherited overshadowed it.

[MHS831]

I once made a decisioh under pressure that I regretted.  There are times when people are counting on you to make a quick decision.  Once, in the drive through, with all eyes on me, I choked and ordered the McNuggets when I clearly wanted a burger.  There were so many options for burgers, but only one choice for chicken, so I went with what I thought was the path of least resistence.  I wish I could do it over.  I wish I could have just driven away.  I was in line--trapped--so I had to face the consequences.  Sure, I regret it, but I learned from it.  That is my point. 

[TANTRIC-NINJA]

Note sure, why you decided to bring Cam up in this (or make it a Cam vs Rivera post), when Rivera's has made a whole lot more blunders to lose the games the past two seasons, than Cam. Just saying.

Plus, nobody told Rivera not to go for it on 4th down in Atlanta, when the Panthers retained possession (you act like they lost the ball or something), and to play such soft defense later, when Atlanta slogged it 80 yards, with 0 TO's, with 50+ secs left, for a win vs the Panthers. SMH

Coaches call plays...players either execute it or not...it is not cam vs Rivera its execution vs coach decisons.

Naka, Cam fumbling with a stretch or having a pass skip to a wide ope TE is unfortunately Cam's lack of closing in those situations.

Sorry to be honest but hey blame the hispanic guy! If it makes you feel better.

[panthers55]

Let's put it this way/in a nutshell (since you keep inexplicably bringing Cam into it): 

 

Cam Newton has been a better first and second year player/QB, than Ron Rivera has been a head coach. It's that simple. 

 

Anyone, who believes otherwise, is just fooling themselves, or Rivera's wife, cousin, brother, friend or assistant coach. 

 

It is what it is. It's not Ron bashing. He's made a lot of mistakes (both on and off the field), and has been clueless many times, while doing so. 

 

Rivera has been one of the worst coaches in the NFL during his tenure. Cam Newton, has been one of the best players and QB's during his. Even the various, assorted polls, and rankings back this up. Many people (especially here) respect Rivera's potential. But almost no one, respects the job he's done as coach so far.  

 

This is not to say RR can't get better. He should/I hope he does (especially under the tutelage of Gettlemen). And I wish him well. But to try to say, 'he's made less mistakes or blunders than Cam (comparatively speaking, regarding each's individuals job/responsibility)' is ludicrous. 

No doubt Newton is doing very well for his first 2 years and Rivera has had some problems.  I think everyone would agree on that.  The difference is that rookie players are supposed to make mistakes and apparently rookie coaches are not.  Everyone thinks that year 3 should be the breakout year for Newton.  Then why can't it be the breakout year for Rivera as well.

 

Obviously you think that Rivera has been bad, I don't agree.  As for polls, if fans here don't agree with how low they put Newton, then why would we instantly take one that places Rivera low and give it any credence.

 

There is a clear double standard here.  Newton is allowed to make mistakes, mope around, show poor leadership but Rivera has to be perfect, can't make mistakes, and whenever a player doesn't execute it is Rivera's fault.

 

[TANTRIC-NINJA]

Also Rivera does not sign Nakamura to be a starting FS or draft Norman who becomes the starting CB...neither of these things happen on an well run front office. Hurney magic!