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Is this not the hardest track out? (Only Rap fans comment)

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chef17 Apprentice

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I've stated my case, I stand by it. Biggie isn't that great, neither is Pun. Em is good but overrated, as is Jay. Looking back at it all with no bias because I wasn't aware of hip-hop at the time, I'm not blinded by hype, word of mouth, media, talking heads, etc, and I was able to formulate my own opinions based off of what I heard and how I liked it.

 

Maybe I have a different taste, but I don't see the substance that everyone else does in Biggie's, Pun's, or Em's stuff, and I find Jay largely unoriginal and boring for the most part.

 

And this is your problem, you think because you didn't listen at the time you don't have a bias. Had you listened to Biggie when he was alive, or Jay or Em when they were starting up and really hitting their peak, you would have a different view. Listening to the Marshall Mathers LP or the Vol. 2... Hard Knock Life now is completely different than listening to it when it was released.

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Man, but that's precisely the point that I keep trying to tell you and you're just not getting it. You're viewing all this music, all this history, in a vacuum with no historical context. It's like you're literally fingering through a bag of marbles and finding the ones that you like best. You are a newbie to the genre, relatively, and you are working from a very current mindset while looking at a vast history of a musical subset. It's literally impossible for you to understand without having lived it. 

 

You can't understand why music was original and revolutionary because you didn't live it at the time. It sounds bland to you, fine, but you're looking at it outside of context. Most of the music that you've listed in this thread didn't even exist at the time. Everyone's got their favorites, but the ones who are generally considered ground breakers and legends in the industry, are so because, well they were. They were inspirations for every future generation of the music, and it's from their musical inspiration that the genre has evolved. There are tons of fringe groups that were awesome, but it's the biggest and the best that have driven the direction of the industry. 

 

Hip-hop lost it's way about 5 years ago, and it's slowly coming back around, thank fuging god. There's less 2chainz and more Kendricks, and Hopsins, and Prince EA's and etc etc. 

 

As far as arguing who's the best and the most culturally relevant to the genre....you're just poo outta luck kid. You don't get it, and I don't think you will. 

 

it goes beyond context and history for me.

 

you put on biggie and you don't think he is the fuging poo, then you don't know what good music is, regardless of history and his impact on hip-hop.

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Man, but that's precisely the point that I keep trying to tell you and you're just not getting it. You're viewing all this music, all this history, in a vacuum with no historical context. It's like you're literally fingering through a bag of marbles and finding the ones that you like best. You are a newbie to the genre, relatively, and you are working from a very current mindset while looking at a vast history of a musical subset. It's literally impossible for you to understand without having lived it. 

 

You can't understand why music was original and revolutionary because you didn't live it at the time. It sounds bland to you, fine, but you're looking at it outside of context. Most of the music that you've listed in this thread didn't even exist at the time. Everyone's got their favorites, but the ones who are generally considered ground breakers and legends in the industry, are so because, well they were. They were inspirations for every future generation of the music, and it's from their musical inspiration that the genre has evolved. There are tons of fringe groups that were awesome, but it's the biggest and the best that have driven the direction of the industry. 

 

Hip-hop lost it's way about 5 years ago, and it's slowly coming back around, thank fuging god. There's less 2chainz and more Kendricks, and Hopsins, and Prince EA's and etc etc. 

 

As far as arguing who's the best and the most culturally relevant to the genre....you're just poo outta luck kid. You don't get it, and I don't think you will. 

 

 

And this is your problem, you think because you didn't listen at the time you don't have a bias. Had you listened to Biggie when he was alive, or Jay or Em when they were starting up and really hitting their peak, you would have a different view. Listening to the Marshall Mathers LP or the Vol. 2... Hard Knock Life now is completely different than listening to it when it was released.

 

Ahh, okay. I got the argument now. That does make a lot more sense, especially since I'd take listening to My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy over something revolutionary production wise from the 90's. Or Food & Liquor over a political/societal problems based album from back then. Or Kendrick over 90's storytelling.

 

Guess that's true, I'm more geared towards some of the stuff that is going on now, and that reflects in terms of the "classic" stuff that I dig.

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You don't think Kendrick got some inspiration for Good Kid Maad City?

learn your history man. there is some great poo out there

 

Dude, I posted a shortlist with about 8 or so of my classic favorites, most of them dating back before Outkast formed in the mid 90's. Just because I don't like and appreciate Biggie doesn't mean I've never listened to anything pre-2005.

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Dude, I posted a shortlist with about 8 or so of my classic favorites, most of them dating back before Outkast formed in the mid 90's. Just because I don't like and appreciate Biggie doesn't mean I've never listened to anything pre-2005.

 

you didn't get the point of that.

 

it's ok.

 

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