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Hendo Gone?

kman72

By kman72,
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carolina-chuck Newbie

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Cut the defense argument out. Mayo is a much better overall SG than Hendo, healthy or not. I hate looking at stats. Stats don't lie but it never tell the whole story. Mayo is a starting caliber player in this league. Hendo is a role player. Hendo will only be ranked that high by Cats' fans.

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CarolinaPanthers8789 Newbie

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How can you cut the defensive argument out (defense is part of the game)? That's like saying the Panthers were best team in the league two years ago if you don't look at the defense.

You provided no substance to your argument, when in fact Henderson has actually proved to be a better scorer, defender, and rebounder the past two years (yes, two years).

I love how people diminish Henderson's acconplishment's. How is Henderson putting up better numbers, yet somehow not a starting caliber two guard? That is ridiculous.

The only people that actually underrate Henderson are Bobcat fans, mainly because we have a naive fanbase. Go on twitter and search Gerald Henderson, there are fans of other teams that are dying to sign Henderson.

Bobcat fans truly don't understand how good Henderson is, it's as simple as that.

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@ItsPantone (sorry, forgot to quote)

Once again, you are comparing a nine year career to a four year career. That simply can't be done.

Based on the past two years when they both have played similar minutes... Henderson has been the more productive player.

 

 

Im not comparing careers, Im not discounting them either.  Ellis season last year does not completely define him as a player, nor does Hendo's.  I'll say it again and then you can have the last word.  Henderson is a player on the rise.  This is the type of player you want to keep if you can, but he isn't worth breaking the bank.  He isn't a top 10 SG in the league yet, if he continues his trend he can be.

 

Enough has been said about Ellis, I can't stress how much I've agree with you this whole time about fit and style of play, but to ignore Ellis career ranking Henderson ahead of him is where we differ in opinion.  I can't think of a more simple way to say it.

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Forget what the stats says. Hendo is def not no9. Not infront of Crawford. Not infront of Lance. Not infront of Gordon, etc. He's behind Mayo and will be behind Beal in a year or two. I'm sorry.

 

I'm not going to validate an argument made off of nothing. You don't have to apologize.

 

If you'd rather have OJ Mayo on your team than Gerald Henderson, you've never seen OJ Mayo play in the NBA and I'm just not going to argue with you

 

EDIT: And another thing:

 

Cut the defense argument out. Mayo is a much better overall SG than Hendo, healthy or not. I hate looking at stats. Stats don't lie but it never tell the whole story. Mayo is a starting caliber player in this league. Hendo is a role player. Hendo will only be ranked that high by Cats' fans.

 

Claiming defense isn't part of being a good 'overall SG' makes it seem like you know little about basketball. Further making me not want to argue with you.

 

I'm sorry.

 

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All I'm saying is over the past two years, Henderson is statistically a top 10 shooting guard... This doesn't mean his career is better than Ginobli's, Iguodala's, or Ellis's; but it does prove that he has been the better player the past two years.

 

 

I'm looking at your beloved advance statistics and they are with in a few decimal points of one another while Ellis has compiled an eye popping number of stats more and boost a higher DWS and a higher WS by a significant margin.  Increased usage does not always equal more effective play.  You are compare a player who started 82 regular season games while averaging nearly 38 mins to a player that only started 58 games and averaged just over 31.  And lets not look at their PER because one played with Sessions and Walker and the other played with Brandon Jennings.  Stats are great but you can make them say whatever you want when you take them out of context.

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I'm looking at your beloved advance statistics and they are with in a few decimal points of one another while Ellis has compiled an eye popping number of stats more and boost a higher DWS and a higher WS by a significant margin.  Increased usage does not always equal more effective play.  You are compare a player who started 82 regular season games while averaging nearly 38 mins to a player that only started 58 games and averaged just over 31.  And lets not look at their PER because one played with Sessions and Walker and the other played with Brandon Jennings.  Stats are great but you can make them say whatever you want when you take them out of context.

 

He also played with Baron Davis who doesn't like him.

 

And Steph Curry who doesn't like him.

 

 

This will be the 4th time he is pared up with a PG who will end up not liking him.

 

 

 

 

I do have another question what bigman has flourished with Ellis as the SG.

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I'm not going to validate an argument made off of nothing. You don't have to apologize.

If you'd rather have OJ Mayo on your team than Gerald Henderson, you've never seen OJ Mayo play in the NBA and I'm just not going to argue with you

EDIT: And another thing:

Claiming defense isn't part of being a good 'overall SG' makes it seem like you know little about basketball. Further making me not want to argue with you.

I'm sorry.

So you're just going to assume that I've never seen Mayo played right? Can I assume craps bout you?

I never said defense wasn't part if the game. I'm just tired if hearing Cats fans using that part of the game to argue Hendo's case for being a Top10 SG, which he isn't. Sure, maybe 3 years from now he can be one, but at this time you are crazy to consider him as one.

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I'm looking at your beloved advance statistics and they are with in a few decimal points of one another while Ellis has compiled an eye popping number of stats more and boost a higher DWS and a higher WS by a significant margin.  Increased usage does not always equal more effective play.  You are compare a player who started 82 regular season games while averaging nearly 38 mins to a player that only started 58 games and averaged just over 31.  And lets not look at their PER because one played with Sessions and Walker and the other played with Brandon Jennings.  Stats are great but you can make them say whatever you want when you take them out of context.

 

 

Just for the record...Jennings and Walker are about the same efficiency wise. Same number of shots per game, same number of turnovers, Jennings has about an assist more while Kemba shoots more efficiently.

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I'm looking at your beloved advance statistics and they are with in a few decimal points of one another while Ellis has compiled an eye popping number of stats more and boost a higher DWS and a higher WS by a significant margin.  Increased usage does not always equal more effective play.  You are compare a player who started 82 regular season games while averaging nearly 38 mins to a player that only started 58 games and averaged just over 31.  And lets not look at their PER because one played with Sessions and Walker and the other played with Brandon Jennings.  Stats are great but you can make them say whatever you want when you take them out of context.

 

- Decimal points or not,  they show that Henderson has been better than Ellis these past two seasons...

 

- DWS and WS aren't used by many people in advanced statistics because there is no formula to calculate negative shares. It's also nearly impossible for a good player to accumulate a high DWS or WS on a bad team (record wise, not cluster fug wise).

 

- Henderson already proved increased usage only makes him a better player... In the months of March and April, his minutes increased to 36.55 mpg. During those two months, he averaged 18.7 points per game on 14.9 shots per game while shooting 45% from the field. He also averaged 3.6 rebounds and 3.6 assists per game. The only thing that decreased was his rebounding by .1 while his points jumped up by 3.2 and his assist numbers jumped up by 1. Henderson's field goal percentage actually was raised significantly simply by playing more.

 

- If you don't want to look at PER because of who they play with... then I guess I can discredit the DWS and WS statistics because they are faulty (don't account for negativity and don't help out bad teams).

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