Hendo Gone?

[SuperJTheGreat]

 

 

 

 

 

I will match Hendo's ONE with 3. 

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Lol, I had never seen this play but Henderson has a huge block on Nick Young haha.

 

 

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Lol SuperJ you need to stop... you posted a video that did the opposite of what you wanted...

[PiratePanther189]

If you are going to argue that George is more of a two than a three, then you have to be able to accept the fact that Ellis is clearly more of a point guard than a shooting guard (unless I am reading your post wrong).

 

Ellis without a doubt will have the better numbers because he has been in the league for nine years compared to Henderson's four. Henderson has also never been given the same opportunities as Ellis. Ellis has only averaged less that 34 minutes per game once in his career (his rookie year). Ellis even averaged over 40 minutes per game twice in his career. Henderson has never averaged more than 33.3 minutes per game in a season. If Henderson, was given the same opportunities as Ellis, we would not be having the discussion right now. Based on Henderson's per 48's and his scoring efficiency per shot, Henderson is the more productive player.

 

As far as the assists go, I already stated that he plays more like a point guard; so of course his assist count is going to be high. I really don't care what his assist total is, because his job is to create shots by spreading the floor not drive to the rim and kick. People complain about Henderson not being a great three point shooter, they will flip out when they see Ellis.

 

I also don't understand how you got the idea that Milwaukee was a cluster fug? If averaging 19 points per game on a "cluster fug" of a team that made the playoffs is amazing, then averaging 15.5 points per game on the sh*t storm that is the Charlotte Bobcats is downright the greatest thing to ever happen in the NBA.

 

A players PPG means nothing to the quality of any team in the NBA and in many cases can misconstrue the quality of a player. Bad teams can actually make some players look good statistically. Not always necessarily that these players are bad, but their stats become bloated.

 

Some examples off of the top of my head include Tracy McGrady on the Magic, Eddy Curry on the Knicks (the dude averaged something like 19 points and 10 boards one year), Kevin Martin on the Kings, Danny Granger when the Pacers were bad, and Al Jeffersons 23 and 11 year on the TWolves.

 

I use the Jefferson example because a 23 and 11 season in a lot of cases would qualify someone to look like the best player at their position in the entire league (especially since Al actually averaged the most PPG among centers and 6th most rebounds after a quick google). Al, unfortunately, was not that. There's more to the story. There's a reason that the TWolves went 24-58 that season.

 

Milwaukee was a clusterfug last year. They had injuries all over the board, no pure PG, problems at the SF position. Plus, Scott Skiles as a coach has never earned respect because his offensive philosiphy is that he has no philosiphy. He lets players do whatever they want and it looks disjointed. Put Brandon Jennings on a team like that and it looks ridiculous. They did make the playoffs, but the 8th seed in the East isn't ever a huge milestone. Hell, Michael Jordan's Bulls teams  as far back as the first few years of his career grabbed the 8 seed with a losing record more than once. It's never been a feat.

 

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

A players PPG means nothing to the quality of any team in the NBA and in many cases can misconstrue the quality of a player. Bad teams can actually make some players look good statistically. Not always necessarily that these players are bad, but their stats become bloated.

Some examples off of the top of my head include Tracy McGrady on the Magic, Eddy Curry on the Knicks (the dude averaged something like 19 points and 10 boards one year), Kevin Martin on the Kings, Danny Granger when the Pacers were bad, and Al Jeffersons 23 and 11 year on the TWolves.

I use the Jefferson example because a 23 and 11 season in a lot of cases would qualify someone to look like the best player at their position in the entire league (especially since Al actually averaged the most PPG among centers and 6th most rebounds after a quick google). Al, unfortunately, was not that. There's more to the story. There's a reason that the TWolves went 24-58 that season.

Milwaukee was a clusterfug last year. They had injuries all over the board, no pure PG, problems at the SF position. They did make the playoffs, but the 8th seed in the East isn't ever a huge milestone. Hell, Michael Jordan's Bulls teams as far back as the first few years of his career grabbed the 8 seed with a losing record more than once. It's never been a feat.

You're right, so people shouldn't give Monta Ellis credit for scoring 19ppg on Milwaukee. Go back and read who brought that up.

Also there is no such thing as a cluster fug when it comes to the Bobcats... We literally are in the top five worst teams of all time (based on statistics) over the last two seasons.

I don't want anyone to complain about injuries, two years ago we played an NBA season with a fuging high school team.

That is a cluster fug.

[PiratePanther189]

You're right, so people shouldn't give Monta Ellis credit for scoring 19ppg on Milwaukee. Go back and read who brought that up then come back and talk to me.

Also there is no such thing as a cluster fug when it comes to the Bobcats... We literally are in the top five worst teams of all time (based on statistics) over the last two seasons.

I don't want anyone to complain about injuries, two years ago we played an NBA season with a fuging high school team.

That is a cluster fug.

 

I never discounted Monta Ellis once, I didn't take credit away from anyone. In fact, what did I say? I said, it doesn't necessarily mean that these players are bad. Tell me where I even mentioned Monta Ellis. What happens when we ASS  U ME?

 

I also never said Milwaukee was a clusterfug compared to anyone. I never said Milwaukee's situation was worse than anyone else's. I simply stated that they were a clusterfug. And they were. Injuries played a part in that, so I'm going to talk about injuries.

 

Of course Charlotte's situation is worse. But that also has no prevelance to what I said. What I said was that Milwaukee was a clusterfug.

 

Don't put words in my mouth.

 

I also don't think Kemba Walker's game varies too far from Brandon Jenning's game as both of them are score first players. Adding a combo guard without a jumpshot to a scoring point guard with a below average jumpshot is a bad combonation. Therefore signing Ellis would, in my opinion, continue your notion of Charlotte being what? A clusterfug.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

I never discounted Monta Ellis once, I didn't take credit away from anyone. In fact, what did I say? I said, it doesn't necessarily mean that these players are bad. Tell me where I even mentioned Monta Ellis. What happens when we ASS U ME?

I also never said Milwaukee was a clusterfug compared to anyone. I never said Milwaukee's situation was worse than anyone else's. I simply stated that they were a clusterfug. And they were. Injuries played a part in that, so I'm going to talk about injuries.

Of course Charlotte's situation is worse. But that also has no prevelance to what I said. What I said was that Milwaukee was a clusterfug.

Don't put words in my mouth.

I also don't think Kemba Walker's game varies too far from Brandon Jenning's game as both of them are score first players. Adding a combo guard without a jumpshot to a scoring point guard with a below average jumpshot is a bad combonation. Therefore signing Ellis would, in my opinion, continue your notion of Charlotte being what? A clusterfug.

You quoted a post that wasn't directed toward you, and obviously didn't read the post I was responding to. If you would have, that post would have made more sense.

[PiratePanther189]

You quoted a post that wasn't directed toward you, and obviously didn't read the post I was responding to. If you would have, that post would have made more sense.

 

I only responded to the last little paragraph, which I assumed was directed toward me because I was the one who originally called Milwaukee a clusterfug on the last page.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Nah, I was talking to ItsPantone (I think that's his name).

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

MJ and Co. are going to get ridiculed for passing on Ben McLemore if they don't get another shooting guard back in a trade for Henderson.

[koolkatluke]

How many of you actually look at the stats instead of just  youtube?

 

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/2751/monta-ellis

 

 

A person avg. 19.4 points while shooting it 16.4 times. He shot 287. from 3pt range and he pretty much Destroys every PG relationship he plays with.

 

Now you want to bring him here where Kemba's is establishing himself as leader of this team.

 

[koolkatluke]

Seriously for a team who needs more 3 point shooters you want a guy who shoots 287% from 3's.

[ItsPantone278]

Nah, I was talking to ItsPantone (I think that's his name).

 

 

Look at the Bucks roster, the head coach at the time, and the moves made through out the season in the line up.  You will understand what I mean by cluster fug.  We aren't a cluster fug because we are actually building a balanced team for the most part, and our young core is getting minutes and learning roles.  The Bucks made the 8th seed last year and are pretty much starting from scratch this year while we return our young core with possibly the exception of Henderson.  Then they go sign Zaza which makes no sense when you look at the roster.

 

I still don't understand how you got my post about Ellis so wrong.  I simply stated that Henderson's being rated higher than Ellis in one season does not make him a better or more productive player.  And that is in my opinion.  Ellis may have scored 19 ppg last year but he has seen multiple seasons where he averaged 20+ and the guy can play the whole game, every game.  Is he the best fit?  maybe not, is he as good if not better than Hendo?  That is easily debated.

[carolina-chuck]

Man this just proves how weak the 2 guard is in the NBA nowadays. Here's my opinion (I took out Paul George as I believe that Indy will move Granger and allow George to play 3 and start or upgrade Stephenson)

16. OJ Mayo (Potential..but little defense and crazy shots make him seem like a headcase)

15. Eric Gordon (High ceiling again but I'd like to see him play even 1/2 of a season)

14. Tyreke Evans (Lack of a jumpshot and low FT % kills him...teams have learned how to defend him)

13. Lance Stephenson (Lot of potential after a high showing in the playoffs..he could end up a good player)

12. Iman Shumpert (Needs a more well rounded game...too much of a short burst slasher to be a consistent starter)

11. DeMar DeRozan (Once again..needs a consistent jump shot to crack the top 10 but he draws a lot of fouls and plays good defense)

10. Jamal Crawford (Getting up there in age but still can get it done off the bench)

9. Gerald Henderson (In my opinion very well rounded, jack of all trades..needs to become great at something instead of being just above average at everything to become a star. Not worth an 8+ mil contract at this time IMO)

8. JR Smith (I'd definitely bring him off the bench, but man is he an exciting player. He's any team's dream 6th man but he's a liability when he plays for 35+ minutes because of bad decisions on both sides of the ball)

7. Monta Ellis (Jumpshot can hurt his team at times because he isn't afraid to shoot and misses a lot, but he's still just about unstoppable on the drive. He makes some pretty spectacular plays)

6. Joe Johnson (Many people see him as overpaid and underperforming, but he's a great player. Clutch shooter, patient and smart on offense, and can defend any 2 guard even at his huge size. However he can't take over a game like he used to, wouldn't call him a star)

5. Andre Iguodala (I see Iggy as Hendo's ceiling but with a higher PPG avg. Another jack of all trades that any team would love to have at the right price. Not a star that will win games for you by putting points up, but he never necessarily LOSES a game for his team)

4. Manu Ginobli (We saw his age in the playoffs and finals this year, but still a fantastic player on the drive, shooting the ball, and on defense. He's a prototypical 2 guard and still one of the best in the league)

3. Kobe Bryant (After the achilles, we may never see the same Kobe again, but he still will probably show us next season flashes of his old self. Even a broken down Kobe is a star among stars and he's proved that for years playing through injuries)

2. Dwayne Wade (The only reason I put D-Wade at 2 is because I think his body is breaking down little by little, but there's little explination necessary on why he's in the top 2. He's conquered the best 3 times over in his career)

1. James Harden (Right now, I think that Harden proved he's the best 2 guard in the league by taking a Houston team that's low on talent to a 7 seed and competed with OKC in the first round. There is not a single glaring weakness in Harden's game. Superb defender, quality shooter, and he's scary driving the lane he'll either draw a foul or convert more than half of the time)

EDIT: And I also think that Brad Beal and Dion Waiters will end up high on this list in a couple years time...but I'm not sure either of them are better than OJ Mayo at this time.

Forget what the stats says. Hendo is def not no9. Not infront of Crawford. Not infront of Lance. Not infront of Gordon, etc. He's behind Mayo and will be behind Beal in a year or two. I'm sorry.