Jump to content

  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Hendo Gone?

kman72

By kman72,
in Charlotte Hornets

Recommended Posts

CarolinaPanthers8789 Newbie

CarolinaPanthers8789

Posted
Posted

I also want to point out this...

 

I went to Fan Appreciation Night when we beat Milwaukee 95-85.

 

Henderson was downright awful... he was 5-18 for 12 points with 4 assists and 3 rebounds.

 

Ellis wasn't that much better... he was 7-18 for 16 points, with 4 assists and 3 rebounds.

 

The real telling story is that while Henderson affects his team positively even when he is having a bad game, Ellis affects the game negatively when he is having a bad game.

 

Ellis actually played the point guard position this game and Kemba abused him for 21 points. Henderson struggled like Ellis (on offense), but unlike Ellis... Henderson played great defense. Henderson held J.J. Redick to 3-14 shooting including 2-11 from downtown.

 

Henderson played horribly on offense but was still able to affect the game positively and actually finished +4 as where Ellis faltered and ended up -10 (which happened to be the amount of points that the Bobcats won by).

 

We don't need a player that will affect the game negatively when he struggles, simple as that.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
teeray Rookie

teeray

Posted
Posted

I just want to add that synergy scoring and per possession stats can be misleading as well.

Sometimes a very good defender will grade out worse than a worse defender because he is guarding the better player. So if you are a perimeter player and you are defending the other team's worst perimeter player there is a good chance you will grade highly than if you are guarding the best perimeter player.

Who do you think would grade worse? The guy guarding Kobe Bryant or the guy guarding MWP? Probably the guy guarding Kobe, but that guy is also likely your best defender.

Also in regards to steals. It might not matter as much in the NBA BC of defensive rules and talent levels. But in college often times the perimeter guy that is guarding the worst perimeter player has more freedom to help and gamble on steals whereas your beat defender has to stay closer to his man. Therefore it isn't that uncommon for an inferior defender to have better defensive statistics.

As far as Hendo vs Ellis I haven't watched Ellis enough to really have a strong opinion.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
ItsPantone278 Newbie

ItsPantone278

Posted
Posted

If you are going to argue that George is more of a two than a three, then you have to be able to accept the fact that Ellis is clearly more of a point guard than a shooting guard (unless I am reading your post wrong).

 

Ellis without a doubt will have the better numbers because he has been in the league for nine years compared to Henderson's four. Henderson has also never been given the same opportunities as Ellis. Ellis has only averaged less that 34 minutes per game once in his career (his rookie year). Ellis even averaged over 40 minutes per game twice in his career. Henderson has never averaged more than 33.3 minutes per game in a season. If Henderson, was given the same opportunities as Ellis, we would not be having the discussion right now. Based on Henderson's per 48's and his scoring efficiency per shot, Henderson is the more productive player.

 

As far as the assists go, I already stated that he plays more like a point guard; so of course his assist count is going to be high. I really don't care what his assist total is, because his job is to create shots by spreading the floor not drive to the rim and kick. People complain about Henderson not being a great three point shooter, they will flip out when they see Ellis.

 

I also don't understand how you got the idea that Milwaukee was a cluster fug? If averaging 19 points per game on a "cluster fug" of a team that made the playoffs is amazing, then averaging 15.5 points per game on the sh*t storm that is the Charlotte Bobcats is downright the greatest thing to ever happen in the NBA.

 

The Bucks were beyond a cluster fug last year.  One of my co workers and good friends is a big Bucks fan.  I'll set you two up on a phone convo if you need any further explanation.

 

As for me arguing George is more of a 2 than a 3 while not arguing Ellis is more of a 1 than 2 means you did read my post wrong.

 

Again.  George is a swingman.  My only argument.  Swingmen are hybrid 2/3 players.  If I'm going to rank 2s then I'm counting George.. if I'm going to rank 3s then I'm counting George..

 

As for Ellis, I guess you missed where I said I agreed his style of play is more suitable to that of a PG.  Hence his great assist numbers while playing as a 2.  As fas as the minutes and Henderson being given the opportunity, you can't be so sure that the increased minutes could have a slightly negative impact on his overall efficiency.  I love his toughness and he is a likable guy but I'm just not ready to rank him over a player like Ellis.  Its okay to disagree but don't get me wrong.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites
CarolinaPanthers8789 Newbie

CarolinaPanthers8789

Posted
Posted

The Bucks were beyond a cluster fug last year.  One of my co workers and good friends is a big Bucks fan.  I'll set you two up on a phone convo if you need any further explanation.

 

As for me arguing George is more of a 2 than a 3 while not arguing Ellis is more of a 1 than 2 means you did read my post wrong.

 

Again.  George is a swingman.  My only argument.  Swingmen are hybrid 2/3 players.  If I'm going to rank 2s then I'm counting George.. if I'm going to rank 3s then I'm counting George..

 

As for Ellis, I guess you missed where I said I agreed his style of play is more suitable to that of a PG.  Hence his great assist numbers while playing as a 2.  As fas as the minutes and Henderson being given the opportunity, you can't be so sure that the increased minutes could have a slightly negative impact on his overall efficiency.  I love his toughness and he is a likable guy but I'm just not ready to rank him over a player like Ellis.  Its okay to disagree but don't get me wrong.  

 

Once again if a playoff team is a cluster fug... then we are a pure sh*t storm.

 

Henderson averaged 15.3 points per game. On what has gone down as one of the two worst consecutive seasons in NBA history.

 

I also don't think Ellis is a bad player, I just think he would fit better on a team that doesn't have a very good shooting guard. A team like Detroit seems like a good fit. Brandon Knight tends to play more like a shooting guard and Ellis plays more like a point guard so they would probably gel together.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
chubs2496 Newbie

chubs2496

Posted
Posted

Posting youtube videos does nothing...

I could easily just post this video.. something that Ellis has never done and never will do.

U clearly didnt watch the video on ellis before saying that Bc it shows monta ellis just standing there with his thumb up his ass lol

Link to comment
Share on other sites
chubs2496 Newbie

chubs2496

Posted
Posted

Lol ding-ding-ding haha.

Everybody has those kinda plays every now and then i suppose. Where u just look lazy or confused. But that looked awful lol. Looks like a middle school kid Tryinh to learn a zone defense and just chasing the kid with the ball then just looks around lol

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing

  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • mav1234
      Bryce Young what a crazy statement

      By mav1234 · Posted

      The issue is the formula is secret, and it incorporates runs... So... Yup, it does. Same with PFF (which isn't quite as secret). But when it doesn't - like on Sunday - it's often to hilarious results. PFF is more reliable I think at matching my 'eye' test.
    • d-dave
      Bryce Young what a crazy statement

      By d-dave · Posted

      According to the talking heads of the sports world, this is a pretty meh QB class.  Sanders and Ward are the only two with first round buzz, but the rest are blah.  Take that for what you will. Let's see how Bryce does in year three.  That's just where we are.  Patience is the key here.  Players need time to develop.  They can't develop if they don't play.  Bryce has made some really good throws, but he doesn't look like CJ Stroud.  That's going to be his point of comparison the rest of their careers.  The ball doesn't explode off Bryce's hand, it's not a cannon ball shot out of a cannon.  He's not going to break a 70 yard run.   Bryce is going to have to continue to make good throws and make plays.  Part of that is going to depend on the play calls.  Part of it is based on the skill players.  A couple drops picked up yesterday and it's a win and Bryce throws 1-2 more TDs.  A completely different story. It's been a crazy year indeed.  I just want to see Bryce continue to develop.  To see XL become more consistent.  To see JT fully recover (not play this season if he's not healthy).  I want to see Coker continue to make plays.  I'd love to see Brooks get more touches and Chubba continue to hammer defenses. Then this approaching offseason, let's go back to the D and work on fixing it.
    • CRA
      2024 College Football Thread

      By CRA · Posted

      Prime is already gone boss.  Nothing left for team Sanders in college football. 
×
×
  • Create New...