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Matt Stafford: 27.5 million signing bonus


Mr. Scot

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They may not all come due in the same year. But there will be one coming due every year. They will add up quickly. Just like Beast, Stew, CJ, DWill, and Gross all came due, we will have to perpetuate these deals. Kraken, then Cam, then Keek, then Star, then CJ again, then this guy, then that guy. There is always, hopefully, some guy, or guys, needing a deal done.

Which is why you have to draft well. You have to have replacements for guys who need those pesky big deals. Some of those deals you can live with, but now days you just cannot afford too many of those type deals. You are going to lose some guys. If you draft well, those losses don't hurt as much.

Talented guys on their rookie deals, with a few strategic FA, make it feasible to hand out a few big deals. But you can only have so many of those whoppers. Which is why I said we are in a more dire straights because we have more talented players than the Lions. Gettlemen is going to have his hands full.

When you are talking about this many deals. It won't make a difference if you front load them. They are still going to add up. They are still going to come due.

I love having all these talented players. Paying them all is the tough part.

 

I think you are overblowing the situation by saying we are in dire straights.  We ended up starting off 2013 roughly 15 million over the cap and are now roughly 10 million under which was a 25 million swing and we lost who??  One very good player in Gamble.  That was it.  2014 will be a flat year when the cap is tough but even if we give Hardy a big contract, his cap hit in 2014 will be small and very manageable in 2015.  By the time it gets big in 2016, for example, Beason and Williams will be gone or restructured which makes up for what we pay Hardy.  The same with Newton.  Even if he averages 20 million a year, his cap hit in 2015 and 2016 will be manageable. Guess whose contract will end in 2017 when Newton's cap number gets big.  Yeah Johnson will be a free agent and he won't be making the 15 million cap hit he made in 2016. even if we resign him, his cap hit in 2017 will be cap friendly.  The same with Kuechly. By the time his cap number gets large in 2018, we wont be paying Stewart who will be a free agent agaiin.

 

As some big contract start piling up, other contracts are ending and we are replacing older players with newer ones in their prime. The draft not only helps you fill in positions with cheap guys on rookie deals but restocks the cabinet with premium guys to replace the aging veterans who price is outstripping their productivity. Even team that has significant talent goes through  the same process we will go through the next few years.  It is a never ending process of working the numbers to  make all the pieces fit.  

The period between 2012 and 2014 is really unique in that we have a flat cap while top talent continues to make escalating money.  It squeezes older vets who were used to getting at least 2 or 3 big contracts and forced a number of good players to take smaller 1 year deals to continue to play in hopes of a bigger payday down the road.  Eventually the cap will go up as revenue increases and the pressure will ease somewhat.

If we can actually be come a playoff team that players want to play for, we might also get some hometown discounts by players who want to be here rather than having to overpay to keep guys playing here like we did in 2010.

 

I am hoping the future is so bright in a few years, I will have to break out my Panther shades.

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Considering how many years and wasted first round draft picks, it's taken for Detroit to find a solid QB... I'm not shocked! :)

 

This team isn't going to let him walk and risk another Joey Harrington experiment. 

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The Lions have drafted 2 Heisman winners and 1 runner up. Yup, that worked out well for us. Although Long did throw a TD on his first pass. So that was cool. Been so long, and obviously so ingrained, I can't even remember the other two. Smith, I think, and...that kid out of Houston. Or was that Smith? And of course the Harrington years, which have already been chronicled.

Mitchell takes Miami to the Super Bowl. He can't make the playoffs for us. Garcia was another oohh yeah guy. Hellz, a litany of who's who of QBs have walked through our building. Well who's who may be stretching it a bit. More like who the fug is that?

The Lions take all sorts of MSU and UM QBs, but passed on Brady. And you Panther fans complain about a few bad years? Try damm near a whole life of bad years?

So yeah. Mathew is the Lions Cam.

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I judge QBs by what I see. Stats and records can be deceiving.

What I see in Stafford is a guy whose ceiling is 'good' and who has the benefit of a superior receiver.

I don't think he'll ever be elite.

 

How can't you judge by what you see? You don't see a guy throwing for 5,000 yards back to back? Stats are the most objective way to measure productivity otherwise everyone will be seeing what they want to see, eg, they can claim Cam is a bum and ignore his awesome historical first two years (based on stats). That is a slippery slope you don't want to take.

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Then I don't think you have seen enough. Sorry to say that. But Mathew is everything you want your Franchise QB to be. He is the first to show up, and the last to leave. He has become a vocal leader, and he is the man in Detroit.

He has passed for almost 10,000 yards the last two seasons. Megatron only has 3800 of those yards. So evidently there are other guys doing good work as well.

I will admit that if the Lions had an actual running game those passing yards would diminish. But that does not take away from what he has accomplished the last few years.

He is absolutely a stud. He is one of the best young QBs out there. That screams elite to me. And I can live with that.

I have waited damm near a lifetime for the Lions to get a Franchise QB. And I am tickled pink to have Mathew.

Stafford had a great year in 2011 when he passed for 41 TDs and 16 Ints.  His passer rater was 97 which was a career high.  Last year he was pedestrian at best throwing 21 TDs and 17 Ints with a passer rating of  79.

 

Truth is he has 2 years where he has played every game and was very good in 1 of them.  The other three have been marred by injuries (first 2), inconsistent play, and poor decision making (last 1).

 

He has a 82 passer rating that would be in the 70s  if it weren't for his great 2011.  Same with TD/Int ratio, it would be pretty much even with the exception of 2011.  Stafford has had 1 stellar year and the rest has been meh.  I can see why folks don't think he is worth big money.  If Detroit didn't have a history of such poor quarterback play over the years, Stafford would be viewed much more critically.  As it is, long suffering fans like you are giddy you finally have someone who has been elite even if it was only 1 year out of 4.

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Stafford had a great year in 2011 when he passed for 41 TDs and 16 Ints.  His passer rater was 97 which was a career high.  Last year he was pedestrian at best throwing 21 TDs and 17 Ints with a passer rating of  79.

 

Truth is he has 2 years where he has played every game and was very good in 1 of them.  The other three have been marred by injuries (first 2), inconsistent play, and poor decision making (last 1).

 

He has a 82 passer rating that would be in the 70s  if it weren't for his great 2011.  Same with TD/Int ratio, it would be pretty much even with the exception of 2011.  Stafford has had 1 stellar year and the rest has been meh.  I can see why folks don't think he is worth big money.  If Detroit didn't have a history of such poor quarterback play over the years, Stafford would be viewed much more critically.  As it is, long suffering fans like you are giddy you finally have someone who has been elite even if it was only 1 year out of 4.

Said like a football fan that doesn't watch the team.

Not going to get into it. Just want you to know that you sound just like every other talking head that uses stats, and not actually knowledge, to judge a player. Almost like folks treat Cam.

But hellz. This is the interwebz.

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How can't you judge by what you see? You don't see a guy throwing for 5,000 yards back to back? Stats are the most objective way to measure productivity otherwise everyone will be seeing what they want to see, eg, they can claim Cam is a bum and ignore his awesome historical first two years (based on stats). That is a slippery slope you don't want to take.

 

Stats alone are an awful way to judge a player because the NFL, by and large, is not a sport where a player can go out and be a world beater on their own merits alone.  Stats can be artificially inflated / deflated by the abilities of the other units / players on the field with the player you're measuring.

 

If you watch someone play and have an objective bone in your body you'll be able to form a much better picture of what they're really like than you'd be able to by looking at box scores.  In this I'm with Mr Scot.  I would prefer to judge a player based on what I can see as a long time football fan with some knowledge of the game than by a series of numbers that don't tell you even a portion of the whole story.

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How can't you judge by what you see? You don't see a guy throwing for 5,000 yards back to back? Stats are the most objective way to measure productivity otherwise everyone will be seeing what they want to see, eg, they can claim Cam is a bum and ignore his awesome historical first two years (based on stats). That is a slippery slope you don't want to take.

 

Going by stats - like passing yards, for example - would tell you that last year, Tony Romo and Matt Ryan were better quarterbacks than Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Aaron Rodgers and (significantly) Cam Newton.  In fact, stats put Romo in the Brady/Brees range.  You wanna defend those ideas?

 

Or how about this?  Remember when we signed David Carr?  At that time, Carr had the best completion percentage in the league and pretty good yardage stats.  Why?  Because he played in a West Coast offense.  WCO attacks inflate passing stats.  That's why I'm automatically suspicious of QBs out of WCO systems (ask the Cardinals how that works).

 

Stats can be misleading.  The true "slippery slope" is thinking they tell the whole story. 

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Then I don't think you have seen enough. Sorry to say that. But Mathew is everything you want your Franchise QB to be. He is the first to show up, and the last to leave. He has become a vocal leader, and he is the man in Detroit.

He has passed for almost 10,000 yards the last two seasons. Megatron only has 3800 of those yards. So evidently there are other guys doing good work as well.

I will admit that if the Lions had an actual running game those passing yards would diminish. But that does not take away from what he has accomplished the last few years.

He is absolutely a stud. He is one of the best young QBs out there. That screams elite to me. And I can live with that.

I have waited damm near a lifetime for the Lions to get a Franchise QB. And I am tickled pink to have Mathew.

 

Sorry Hub.  I think Stafford is Fool's Gold.

 

Mind you, when I watched last year's Texans-Lions game on Thanksgiving, I thought Stafford looked better than Schaub.  But if I'm being honest, I think Schaub is overrated too.

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Stafford has one of the best arms in nfl history but aside from one year he hasn't shown the ability to use it effectively. If Stafford can ever master the whole consistency thing(you could say similar things about Cam) he could be an all time great qb.

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Ugh perpetually abysmal team fanbase refugees are cringe-inducing

I would hazard a guess that there are far more Panther fans that had a team before the Panthers, than there are of those only knowing the Panthers. So you are making a broad sweeping derogatory statement that insults almost every adult Panther fan.

But hey, at least you're consistent.

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Sorry Hub.  I think Stafford is Fool's Gold.

 

Mind you, when I watched last year's Texans-Lions game on Thanksgiving, I thought Stafford looked better than Schaub.  But if I'm being honest, I think Schaub is overrated too.

Not a big deal. Really. Unless you know the whole picture, it is easy to see what you want. Happens all the time. Fans that don't watch other teams a whole lot have their own notions of what that teams is. I know most folks don't watch the Lions. So I don't usually bring them up. It was just nice that this deal finally got done.

Lions fans may be long suffering. But they are a knowledgeable lot.

 

 

Stafford has one of the best arms in nfl history but aside from one year he hasn't shown the ability to use it effectively. If Stafford can ever master the whole consistency thing(you could say similar things about Cam) he could be an all time great qb.

It is a matter of trying to do too much. Coupled with a lack of talent, and no running game. It is a dangerous mixture. The future holds the truth. Because folks will use the past to judge and predict what they want to believe.

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