Newton not to lead rushing with Panthers

[CRA]

No CRA I have never watched our quarterback play football. Really lol?

Just because he wasn't on the injury report doesn't mean he wasn't getting banged up. He definitely was....

You're still twisting my words. I never said double trouble had to be the whole offense. They damn sure need to be running the football though, not to mention we have big Mike Tolbert to pound it in and he needs his too.

You're on short term and I'm on long term. We have a franchise QB, I'd like him to last more than 5 years.

Cam obviously got banged up in the pocket and short yardage goal work.....

Running outside of the goaline work? I'm more worried about Newton getting hurt passing than running.

Let Cam be Cam. He is young. No need to try to act like the 23 yr old version needs to protect himself like he would at 37.

I am a full supporter of drastically reducing his short yardage work. His other running? No need for a reduction in that.

You said Double Trouble are here to carry the load for Cam. That is vague, so sorry I didn't get your implied meaning. They are here to be roleplayers.....most dominant position was RB not long ago in Carolina. Those days are over.

[MadHatter]

I don't disagree but when it is 3rd and goal on the 3 yard line, I can assure you Cam will running the ball.

It's easy for us fans to say this is stupid, but I can promise you no one in the stadium would take a field goal over Cam taking it to the end zone to prevent the potential injury. Our running backs haven't run through a wet paper bag in years.

Under Shula, I think you will see Tolbert get the ball in that situation.

[TheRed]

Cam obviously got banged up in the pocket and short yardage goal work.....

Running outside of the goaline work? I'm more worried about Newton getting hurt passing than running.

Let Cam be Cam. He is young. No need to try to act like the 23 yr old version needs to protect himself like he would at 37.

I am a full supporter of drastically reducing his short yardage work. His other running? No need for a reduction in that.

You said Double Trouble are here to carry the load for Cam. That is vague, so sorry I didn't get your implied meaning. They are here to be roleplayers.....most dominant position was RB not long ago in Carolina. Those days are over.

Whether he's 24 or 34, at the end of the day he's still human.

I agree about the short yardage runs. That's really my concern, opposing players getting cheapshots in. Like I said. I don't want him to stop running altogether, and yes I realize he can get hurt in the pocket just as much.

[CRA]

Whether he's 24 or 34, at the end of the day he's still human.

I agree about the short yardage runs. That's really my concern, opposing players getting cheapshots in. Like I said. I don't want him to stop running altogether, and yes I realize he can get hurt in the pocket just as much.

Well then we both agree on the short yardage runs. Those piles are invitations for extracurricular junk and pounding. We can remove those completely...

Cam's best usage of his wheels is when he leads the league like in 2011 with the most 3rd down conversions. Those weren't just 3rd and 1 runs.....it is the 3rd and 5 or 6 when he is at his best. Passing downs. Run lanes open up....and he flops or takes a huge chunk.

I think his TDs will fluctuate more than yardage over the next couple seasons.

[panthers55]

The read option is new to the NFL that is true. But at other levels where it is more prominent there is no evidence that read option QBs are more likely to get hurt than QBs in other types of offenses.

I for one am not worried that the read option is anymore dangerous or any less dangerous than any other offense for QB

 

An interesting blog in the offseason.  It covers the issue of injury to running quarterbacks and even includes the race card.  Something for everyone.

 

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/02/are-running-quarterbacks-more-likely-to.html

 

[panthers55]

Well then we both agree on the short yardage runs. Those piles are invitations for extracurricular junk and pounding. We can remove those completely...

Cam's best usage of his wheels is when he leads the league like in 2011 with the most 3rd down conversions. Those weren't just 3rd and 1 runs.....it is the 3rd and 5 or 6 when he is at his best. Passing downs. Run lanes open up....and he flops or takes a huge chunk.

I think his TDs will fluctuate more than yardage over the next couple seasons.

 

As long as Cam doesn't get seriously hurt he can continue to run until he is 30 or so.  But eventually he will have to rely on passing versus running to earn his living.  Which is why he needs to focus on that now.  Progressive injuries whether he is in the pocket or not will take their toll like they do with every quarterback.  Quarterbacks don't run over folks they elude them which requires speeds and agility which declines with age and injury.  So really this question might be germaine for a few years but won't matter 5 years from now.  Guys like Vick no matter how fast slow down with age and wear and tear on their bodies.  Cam is no exception.  The only debate is how long can he keep it up and when will he have to give up running as a staple of his skills.

[CRA]

As long as Cam doesn't get seriously hurt he can continue to run until he is 30 or so. But eventually he will have to rely on passing versus running to earn his living. Which is why he needs to focus on that now. Progressive injuries whether he is in the pocket or not will take their toll like they do with every quarterback. Quarterbacks don't run over folks they elude them which requires speeds and agility which declines with age and injury. So really this question might be germaine for a few years but won't matter 5 years from now. Guys like Vick no matter how fast slow down with age and wear and tear on their bodies. Cam is no exception. The only debate is how long can he keep it up and when will he have to give up running as a staple of his skills.

I think he gives it up as a staple of his skills....when he retires. Again, I think the shot yardage goes soon....hopefully this year outside of the rare moment.

It was a staple for Steve Young up until the end.

Cam IMO even at an early age show decision making while running a Mike Vick never has figured out. Cam doesn't have the speed of an RGIII or Vick but he is smarter and more elusive. That will keep him running IMO without the injuries....it at least give him better odds

[FootballMaestro]

It wouldn't surprise me if Cam's rushing numbers are down a bit, but rest assured, he will still be our goal line back. To tempting to not use him in the goal line.

 

No; especially with Tolbert there!!

[panthers55]

I think he gives it up as a staple of his skills....when he retires. Again, I think the shot yardage goes soon....hopefully this year outside of the rare moment.

It was a staple for Steve Young up until the end.

Cam IMO even at an early age show decision making while running a Mike Vick never has figured out. Cam doesn't have the speed of an RGIII or Vick but he is smarter and more elusive. That will keep him running IMO without the injuries....it at least give him better odds

Do you remember why Young gave it up?  Too many concussions while running so he had to retire.  And he was not a starter for 5 or 6 years. Plus Young never ran more than 75 times in any one year.  His career total was 722.  That was in 15 seasons or roughly 50 a year.  In 2 years Newton has 253 of over a 1/3 of that.  At his current pace if he does what you suggest, he will surpass Young totals by year 7 or well before he is 30.  Anyone who thinks he can keep that up without suffering the same fate is delusional. 

Then read the article about running quarterbacks.  Funny how you spin everything to your point of view despite the facts which prove like usual, you are wrong. 

[CRA]

Do you remember why Young gave it up? Too many concussions while running so he had to retire. And he was not a starter for 5 or 6 years. Plus Young never ran more than 75 times in any one year. His career total was 722. That was in 15 seasons or roughly 50 a year. In 2 years Newton has 253 of over a 1/3 of that. At his current pace if he does what you suggest, he will surpass Young totals by year 7 or well before he is 30. Anyone who thinks he can keep that up without suffering the same fate is delusional.

Then read the article about running quarterbacks. Funny how you spin everything to your point of view despite the facts which prove like usual, you are wrong.

Steve Young was a pro bowler at 31 years old....and at 32, 33, 34, 35, 36. 37.

Why he gave it up? He didn't hang it up early. Not playing at 39 or 40 isn't "giving it up".....it is being too old to play football.

Delusional? I have already said Cam likely won't have as long if a career as a more traditional player like a Tom Brady. I just want Cam to be Cam and given the opportunity to reach his absurd ceiling. I don't want a handicapped and lesser version for the sake of a couple extra late years. Plus, it is the NFL...nothing is a given. Not using all his ability doesn't guarantee he plays longer....It just guarantees you aren't using all his abilities as a comically scary weapon

[panthers55]

Steve Young was a pro bowler at 31 years old....and at 32, 33, 34, 35, 36. 37.

Why he gave it up? He didn't hang it up early. Not playing at 39 or 40 isn't "giving it up".....it is being too old to play football.

Delusional? I have already said Cam likely won't have as long if a career as a more traditional player like a Tom Brady. I just want Cam to be Cam and given the opportunity to reach his absurd ceiling. I don't want a handicapped and lesser version for the sake of a couple extra late years. Plus, it is the NFL...nothing is a given. Not using all his ability doesn't guarantee he plays longer....It just guarantees you aren't using all his abilities as a comically scary weapon

You are the king of selective information to try and make a point. How many of those pro bowl seasons did Young play 16 games that would be 3 between 1992 and 1995. He was born in 1961 so do the math. He was already 31 before he started every game in a year so age wasn't the same as a guy like Newton who started every game at 22. In 97 and 98 he played 15 games. Except for his second year in Tampa he never played more than 11. His last year he was hurt and only played 3 games due to concussions and retired.

Young was plagued by injuries throughout his career and it wasn't due to being sacked all the time. He averaged around 22 per season. The problem was getting hit running too often in an age where defenders were not as athletic. It is true that the rules do now allow more protection for quarterbacks sliding these days. Still I saw Young play all of his career and I can tell you that he had no intention of retiring until he was hurt.

The Panthers will allow Cam to scramble and occasionally on plays where he sees an opportunity to pick up chunks of yards. But fortunately Rivera has played in the league and knows what happens if you try to make quarterbacks into passing running backs. Shula was a QB as well. Chide didn't mind using him up given he was about promoting himself not keeping Cam safe for the longterm.

[CRA]

You are the king of selective information to try and make a point. How many of those pro bowl seasons did Young play 16 games that would be 3 between 1992 and 1995. He was born in 1961 so do the math. He was already 31 before he started every game in a year so age wasn't the same as a guy like Newton who started every game at 22. In 97 and 98 he played 15 games. Except for his second year in Tampa he never played more than 11. His last year he was hurt and only played 3 games due to concussions and retired.

Young was plagued by injuries throughout his career and it wasn't due to being sacked all the time. He averaged around 22 per season. The problem was getting hit running too often in an age where defenders were not as athletic. It is true that the rules do now allow more protection for quarterbacks sliding these days. Still I saw Young play all of his career and I can tell you that he had no intention of retiring until he was hurt.

The Panthers will allow Cam to scramble and occasionally on plays where he sees an opportunity to pick up chunks of yards. But fortunately Rivera has played in the league and knows what happens if you try to make quarterbacks into passing running backs. Shula was a QB as well. Chide didn't mind using him up given he was about promoting himself not keeping Cam safe for the longterm.

Steve Young was allowed to be Steve Young. YOU would have preferred he be reigned in....maybe of completed a 16 game season here or there and been LESS of a QB.

I prefer Young be Young. Cam be Cam.

38 is the age where all QBs start retiring.....runners or pocket passers. No point dwelling on young not playing as long as Vinny Testeverde.

Gotta let special guys be special. Tommorrow may not come regardless of how you try to protect them....be you can choose if you given the chance to be all they can be.

And as far as selective information.....again, it is a pot/kettle situation. You always claim everyone does X here but you.

My opinion has never changed....I endorsed drafting Cam before it was "cool". But I always had one condition on them selecting him.....had to let him be Cam. That is a given his odds won't be high pulling off a Brett Favre length of a career with no missed games.

[frash.exe]

1. Steve Young was very old for a player in the nfl in general. As you get older you are more injury prone. Vinny Testeverde had to be pulled out of a game when he played for us because his Achilles was sore and swelled up.

2. Steve Young got many concussions at a time when the extent of the consequences of concussions weren't known. The generation of nfl players he thrived in have been paying for undiagnosed brain damage. Nowadays there are innumerable rules put into place to protect the players, and the players know how to protect themselves on the field better.

3. Nobody wants Cam to dive head first into oblivion every single play. But like many of his runs, he can still protect himself and avoid direct contact, and he's been doing a good job of that the past two seasons. 3 if you count his last season at auburn. Downplay his participation running at the goal line or short yardage conversion situations, where the scrums get messy.

4. CRA stop getting sucked into P55's circular arguments

[frash.exe]

Never said it wasn't effective. I just don't care for it.

Lol what a stupid comment

This is a perfect example of what sums up the huddle's lack of knowledge when it comes to what is working on offense. The biggest indictment against Chud should've been the fact that he didn't emphasize effective short passing nearly as much as he should have, not that we were selling out to the read option last year.