Newton not to lead rushing with Panthers

[FootballMaestro]

he'll still definitely pull it on goal-to-go situations

 

I hope not, unless he has space and/or it's a [inches] sneak. 

 

That's what Tolbert is there for. 

[FootballMaestro]

Yes he actually nearly matched his rushing yards for 2011. What'd it get us, one more win?

My point was, if he runs for that many yards we're going nowhere once again. I don't want that.

There's a reason no other teams QB had that many rushing yards and remained reasonably healthy.

 

Though I agree with you in principle. I won't be surprised if Cam accumulates between 500-700 yards anyway (even if he's not used in as many short yardage situations and Read Option plays). 

 

Cam's passing threat, size, speed, power, vision and elusiveness, just turn normal QB 2-5 yd scrambles, into 7-21 yard scrambles. 

 

I think the key, will be watching the amount of rushes and hits Cam takes, as opposed to the  total yards. 

[FootballMaestro]

What everyone saw from Kaepernick, Wilson, RG3, or even Cam last year really opened the eyes of NFL owners. That is, more will be expected from their QBs. In the very near future teams will find it harder to compete without a dual threat QB. Right now pure pocket passing QBs are winning by default because most of the teams in the NFL have pure pocket passers.

 

The read option and mobile QBeing are one and the same. No stopping it. No offensive coordinator is gonna come to a team, scratch off 741 yards of offense and expect to keep a job. No offensive coordinator is gonna watch on a weekly basis kaep, rg3, wilson, or maybe ej dropping 35 and ask Cam to do his best payton rendition. Not happening.

 

Wake up and smell the coffee people, there a lot of safe run throughout a game where a QB can pick up 5-6 yards and barely get touch keeping the chain moving. Wilson is the king at doing that and was putting 50 on people weekly. QBs will be expected to do just that on a gamely basis. Everybody was talking how great tum bready was last year until he hit the wilson/kaepernick wall. 

 

Will the Redskin system work in the league in the long run? Hell, no. But Kaep & Wilson will be putting 35 for a long time and I think we will soon too. my 2 cent.

 

Read Option and running, will get reduced, as soon as QB's--like Griffin get hurt, and NFL defenses catch up, better deal with it. 

 

I don't disagree with doing it. Not at all. It should be used. However, it would be fools gold to think it's the long term, ultimate Craze--yet...The Redskins had a great rushing attack, and [basically] a high school offense tricking/freezing you on virtually every play. Seattle had a great defense and rushing attack, while Wilson developed into a good pocket QB. And Frisco was loaded on both sides of the ball. And Cam is just Cam. 

 

Let's see how things look for Wash, Seattle and Frisco (and their QB's) next year before the Official Read Option/Mobile QB Anointment/Takeover?? Luckily, Kaep and Wilson, have very good teams (on paper), so we may never know, though I believe Wilson is a relatively mature pocket QB at this stage. 

[FootballMaestro]

What everyone saw from Kaepernick, Wilson, RG3, or even Cam last year really opened the eyes of NFL owners. That is, more will be expected from their QBs. In the very near future teams will find it harder to compete without a dual threat QB. Right now pure pocket passing QBs are winning by default because most of the teams in the NFL have pure pocket passers.

 

The read option and mobile QBeing are one and the same. No stopping it. No offensive coordinator is gonna come to a team, scratch off 741 yards of offense and expect to keep a job. No offensive coordinator is gonna watch on a weekly basis kaep, rg3, wilson, or maybe ej dropping 35 and ask Cam to do his best payton rendition. Not happening.

 

Wake up and smell the coffee people, there a lot of safe run throughout a game where a QB can pick up 5-6 yards and barely get touch keeping the chain moving. Wilson is the king at doing that and was putting 50 on people weekly. QBs will be expected to do just that on a gamely basis. Everybody was talking how great tum bready was last year until he hit the wilson/kaepernick wall. 

 

Will the Redskin system work in the league in the long run? Hell, no. But Kaep & Wilson will be putting 35 for a long time and I think we will soon too. my 2 cent.

 

Read Option and running, will get reduced, as soon as QB's--like Griffin get hurt, and NFL defenses catch up, better deal with it. 

 

I don't disagree with doing it. Not at all. It should be used. However, it would be fools gold to think it's the long term, ultimate Craze--yet... The Redskins had a great rushing attack, and [basically] a high school offense tricking/freezing you on virtually every play. Seattle had a great defense and rushing attack, while Wilson developed into a good pocket QB. And Frisco was loaded on both sides of the ball. And Cam is just Cam. 

 

Let's see how things look for Wash, Seattle and Frisco (and their QB's) next year before the Official Read Option/Mobile QB Anointment/Takeover?? Luckily, Kaep and Wilson, have very good teams (on paper), so we may never know, though I believe Wilson is a relatively mature pocket QB at this stage. 

 

[FootballMaestro]

He didn't win the 11 games by himself give credit to the players around him .....  Vick Ballard TD vs Titans .

 

Obviously you have a little bit of hate in you....Cam may not speak the most proper English or isn't "educated" in your mind but he is more successful in his job than you are at yours.  :sword:

 

I don't think he referenced Cam being dumb. So you just gave him some useless fodder. 

 

I think he mentioned you having a "low football IQ", not Cam. 

 

Now of course, his/her argument and reasoning skills are ultimately useless, so no need to feed the trolls. 

[Ace_Aladdin]

I don't think he referenced Cam being dumb. So you just gave him some useless fodder. 

 

I think he mentioned you having a "low football IQ", not Cam. 

 

Now of course, his/her argument and reasoning skills are ultimately useless, so no need to feed the trolls. 

 

 

He wasn't talking to me, I just hoped in the conversation and misread it......I thought he was saying Bojangles and using it as racist term..........anyways your right, only way to beat a troll is to ignore him.

[CRA]

Basically the same thing.

Inside the 10, the field gets significantly collapsed. Less room for the WR's to move...safeties in the box.

Teams are looking for the run (and especially Cam given our past two seasons). They are keying on him and love the opportunity to take shots on him.

We bought in Fat Tolbert for a reason....and that is short yardage and goal to go situations. We should use him.

I think they used Tolbert much more in the 2nd half of the season on goaline scenarios....

[MadHatter]

I think they used Tolbert much more in the 2nd half of the season on goaline scenarios....

 

I think they did as well.

 

Runs on those short yardage situations are like a car crash.  The defense knows it is a run and everyone is crashing down.  The collisions there are incredible.  I would prefer Cam not take those shots (even though he is the size of a LB).

[Guest HelloWorld]

its interesting that your proof that cam is a winner only references his college days. i also find it very interesting that panther nation generally doesnt think much of comeback wins, could the reason for that be that cam has never had one? your michael jordan reference is absurd. one of michael's greatest attributes was his clutch play at the end of games. you must not have been around when he hit the gamewinner to beat georgetown for the national championship as a teenager, to say nothing of all of his gamewinners as a pro. and to really demonstrate your low football IQ, you state that only losers do things on a comeback. lets take a second and dissect that one. there was a rookie QB this year that tied the alltime mark of seven 4th quarter comebacks. that QB's team won 11 games. on the other hand you have a bojangler of a QB who had zero comeback wins and his team won 7. now i know this is a tough one for you, but concentrate, would you rather have 11 wins or 7 wins? see, i knew you could do it. and you called the one with 11 wins a loser, you silly boy. now then, as far as my trolling style goes, and i really hate to use this term again, but i find it to be pure GENIOUS!

The second you mentioned the word comeback I knew you were a Luck fan boy.

 

The bulls dynasty is known for blowing teams out. I think your memory of Jordan is probably the final against Utah. But throughout the regular reason the Bulls wasn't known for last shot miracle or being down by 25 points. Close games and comebacks are not the came. Driving your team down to kick a field goal to break a tie, for example, is not a comeback. Comebacks are anomalies. It's when the game appears out of reach, like the patriots vs. 49ers last year, and miraculously the team comeback. There is a reason the stadium doesn't empty out when the home team is down by, say, 11 points.

 

And by the way, you're definitely an alt. You got me at 'bojangler'. I was glad to play along.

 

[Guest HelloWorld]

Jordan was a freshman wasn't the MAN on the 82 Carolina basketball team.  Worthy and Perkins were the leaders of that team.  Not to mention Dean Smith.  

 

Of course, Jordan hit many a game winners throughout his career but those meant nothing until he got a supporting cast.   63 Against Boston.  THEY LOST.

 

And obviously you only watch the Jordan highlight films.  Jordan was a Bull for 7 seasons before they finally won the NBA Championship.  And they didn't win it because he was a great clutch shooter.  It was because he had a great team behind him.  Mostly full of castoffs.  

 

Pay attention.    

 

Your saying that the only way we win is if Cam puts us on his back?  And I have a lower IQ?  I guess what you are saying as long as Cam Throw 350 and rushes for 75 yds per game. We'll win.  Don't need a defense just climb on his back. 

 

As far as the 4th Qtr Comebacks. How many times has he given us the lead in the 4th quarter and the defense lose it for him? Is that his fault?   He doesn't get credit for the "Comeback" but he put the team in the lead. 

Ignore that alt. Nobody who used the term 'bojangler' on a sports forum should be validated.

[Guest HelloWorld]

just off the top of my head cam did lead a 90 yard drive to ice the redskins game and stood toe to toe with drew brees in the super dome to come back from a double digit halftime deficit.  then there are the three games (first falcons game, second bucs game, bears) where the defense gave up walk-off scoring drives.

 

of course, none of that holds a candle to andrew luck leading his team in to field goal range with 3:00 left to play and the defense holds.  teeray put together this awesome post where he described all of andrew luck's "come from behind wins" and seriously half of them were like "colts kick field goal, defense holds for 3+ minutes".  i wish i could find that thread again.

Isn't it amazing what the media can do in their pursuit to be right all along! They kind of not telling the truth but not lying either. Personally, there is nothing more annoying when someone use that stupid trick against you.

 

[jtm]

It wouldn't surprise me if Cam's rushing numbers are down a bit, but rest assured, he will still be our goal line back. To tempting to not use him in the goal line.

[Guest HelloWorld]

Read Option and running, will get reduced, as soon as QB's--like Griffin get hurt, and NFL defenses catch up, better deal with it. 

 

I don't disagree with doing it. Not at all. It should be used. However, it would be fools gold to think it's the long term, ultimate Craze--yet...The Redskins had a great rushing attack, and [basically] a high school offense tricking/freezing you on virtually every play. Seattle had a great defense and rushing attack, while Wilson developed into a good pocket QB. And Frisco was loaded on both sides of the ball. And Cam is just Cam. 

 

Let's see how things look for Wash, Seattle and Frisco (and their QB's) next year before the Official Read Option/Mobile QB Anointment/Takeover?? Luckily, Kaep and Wilson, have very good teams (on paper), so we may never know, though I believe Wilson is a relatively mature pocket QB at this stage. 

So, you're saying professional NFL players were getting tricked weekly by high school-like trick plays for an entire season? I don't agree with that. Calling it HS offense shows that you have some contempt against that style of play. Your point could have been as valid if you called it college offense. And I'm sure RG3 and the read-option played a role in that rushing attack.

 

I think all the QBs we mentioned are pretty mature in the pocket. But they can also run and pick up a first down for you too. What owner wouldn't go for that? Trent Dilfer works with HS level QBs in the Elite 11 and I see what he sees, the top QB recruits in the country the last few years have been mobile QBs. Every team is looking for their Cam. EJ Manuel was selected solely on his potential to be like Cam. Unlike you, owners don't need next year to evaluate the mobile QBs to see if they fit the NFL. Owners realized since the Vick days that the time it takes for a team with a mobile QB to be competitive is very short and don't need a complete team to start winning.

 

Hopefully we can continue this conversation when the season start. Can't wait.

[MadHatter]

It wouldn't surprise me if Cam's rushing numbers are down a bit, but rest assured, he will still be our goal line back. To tempting to not use him in the goal line.

 

Already addressed....if you use your franchise QB as a battering ram on the goal line (when you have Fat Tolbert in the backfield), then you it when said QB goes down with a season ending injury.

 

Much like the argument that you don't put your #1 WR returning punts, you don't use your QB as a goal line full back.