Update: Aaron Hernandez Charged with Murder/ Cut by the Patriots

[4Corners]

Honestly, the Pats have been due for something like this. 

[La Pantera]

What I don't get is those two charges together. If you conspired to commit murder, isn't that murder in the 1st???

[Cary Kollins]

Conspiracy to Commit Murder is committed when a person:
 

1. Joins in an agreement or plan with one or more persons;
2. The purpose of the agreement was to commit murder; and
3. The defendant joined the conspiracy knowing of the unlawful plan to help and carry out the murder.

http://www.bostoncriminallawyer.com/lawyer-attorney-1656042.html

 

 

[Cary Kollins]

What I don't get is those two charges together. If you conspired to commit murder, isn't that murder in the 1st???

 

 

Good question.  I guess we will find out soon enough what the exact charges will be.

[jtm]

What I don't get is those two charges together. If you conspired to commit murder, isn't that murder in the 1st???

Conspiracy is an inchoate offense otherwise known as a "preparation" crime like solicitation. Conspiracy is a separate charge from murder. Conspiracy is essentially a charge for agreeing with two or more people to commit a crime. The rationale is crimes committed by multiple people are more dangerous and can escalate quicker. I'm an attorney.

[La Pantera]

Conspiracy is an inchoate offense otherwise known as a "preparation" crime like solicitation. Conspiracy is a separate charge from murder. Conspiracy is essentially a charge for agreeing with two or more people to commit a crime. The rationale is crimes committed by multiple people are more dangerous and can escalate quicker. I'm an attorney.

My thought process was if you "conspired", that you then knew you were going to commit murder(pre determining). I thought the diff between murder 1 and 2 was premeditation.

[Cary Kollins]

murder and a bunch of weapon charges.  wow

[jtm]

My thought process was if you "conspired", that you then knew you were going to commit murder(pre determining). I thought the diff between murder 1 and 2 was premeditation.

Very sensible logic, but conspiracy doesn't have to be for murder and murder isn't always charged when you intentionally kill someone. If you have an agreement with others to inflict great bodily harm, but not murder, and the person ends up not living, this would be conspiracy to commit murder and 2nd degree murder.

[OnlyPantherFaninMaine]

ESPN is broadcasting it all right now...and its all going down less than a mile from where I am. Crazy day. 

[Cary Kollins]

Wow wow wow.  Sounds like AHern texted the other two guys to come up and take care of the victim.

[La Pantera]

Very sensible logic, but conspiracy doesn't have to be for murder and murder isn't always charged when you intentionally kill someone. If you have an agreement with others to inflict great bodily harm, but not murder, and the person ends up not living, this would be conspiracy to commit murder and 2nd degree murder.

Oh, ok. I understand that.

[La Pantera]

Wow wow wow. Sounds like AHern texted the other two guys to come up and take care of the victim.

So they got the text even tho he broke his phone, huh?......pure genius.

[Cary Kollins]

Yeah, the state prosecutor is really breaking it down right now.  AH is fuugggggged.

[jtm]

So they got the text even tho he broke his phone, huh?......pure genius.

Not really, service providers keep all this data.