Why I don't want Noel.

[yasuhara2241]

I really don't understand why everyone is just reading what they want to. We were talking about weight and I give a list of players who are in the NBA and were drafted very skinny. 

 

Theo Ratliff 214

Meyers Leonard 215
Larry Sanders 217
Nazr Mohammed 221
Joakim Noah 223
Camby 223
Marcin Gortat 225
Dikembe Mutombo 228

 

Now out of the entire list, yall just focus on Kevin Garnett and now its not weight its skills. Well to be honest you all are correct, there is no Kevin Garnett in the draft period. 

 

Now these other guys on the list...All Centers. All grew into their position. That is what Im saying. And are you saying that these guys on this list have a more developed offensive game? Did you watch any of them in college?! 

 

Now as far as what I see for Noel: 

 

Lateral quickness to say with PF or C

Explosive leaper and gets off the floor fast

Offensive game is just putbacks and dunks right now but has coordination and skills to improve on this

Skinny as hell but thats something that can change

 

Now does he have the power to stay with Centers? In this league today...YES! There are very few true Centers and he will help out a ton on defense letting Kemba and MKG take risks bc you got an eraser in the middle. 

 

 

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

I really don't understand why everyone is just reading what they want to. We were talking about weight and I give a list of players who are in the NBA and were drafted very skinny.

Theo Ratliff 214

Meyers Leonard 215

Larry Sanders 217

Nazr Mohammed 221

Joakim Noah 223

Camby 223

Marcin Gortat 225

Dikembe Mutombo 228

Now out of the entire list, yall just focus on Kevin Garnett and now its not weight its skills. Well to be honest you all are correct, there is no Kevin Garnett in the draft period.

Now these other guys on the list...All Centers. All grew into their position. That is what Im saying. And are you saying that these guys on this list have a more developed offensive game? Did you watch any of them in college?!

Now as far as what I see for Noel:

Lateral quickness to say with PF or C

Explosive leaper and gets off the floor fast

Offensive game is just putbacks and dunks right now but has coordination and skills to improve on this

Skinny as hell but thats something that can change

Now does he have the power to stay with Centers? In this league today...YES! There are very few true Centers and he will help out a ton on defense letting Kemba and MKG take risks bc you got an eraser in the middle.

To be honest, you're the only one reading into what "they" want.

When you list a players weight and say that you only want to talk about weight you are skewing statistics. Of course Noel is going to look good next to those other players (when you just look at weight), but when you compare Noel's game (the way he plays) to the other guys you would truly see the whole picture. It's essentially like me saying Victor Oladipo is a good three point shooter because he shoots 44% from the three point line, but I choose to leave out the fact that he only averages two three point shots; so as long as he makes one his percentage will stay in tact. You are doing the exact same thing, you are saying lets look at the players weight; but don't combine that fact with how they play because then then the numbers wouldn't be in your favor.

As far as us focusing on Garnett, there is a reason. You're the one who brought his name up...

Well wasn't Kevin Garnett skinny as hell.

Then you proceeded to list other skinny players, by the way Garnett entered the league out of high school; so of course he was going to be skinny... Now once again, if you only focus on weight you aren't seeing the full spectrum.

Also a few of these guys haven't completely grown into their bodies or their positions. Larry Sanders and Meyers Leonard have been in the league for less than three years and haven't had time to develop. Theo Ratliff never amounted to a great player, Nazr Mohammed either. Mutumbo was purely a defensive player and though Camby was a solid player in his day (another defensive specialist), he was never an all-star. Gortat is a foreign big and plays nothing like Noel, so it doesn't really matter or not what he weighs because he is a court wanderer. The only player I will legitimately give you the benefit of the doubt on is Joakim Noah, who is a very solid center.

As far as watching them in college, I saw a few of them play live. I saw Joakim Noah at Florida and Larry Sanders at VCU (both live). I have a good friend that went to high school with Kevin Garnett so I actually have a few tapes of his high school games (KG didn't go to college). Meyers Leonard was a rookie last year so if you watched college basketball two years ago, I'm sure you saw him play at Illinois. Marcin Gortat is foreign and never attended college. When it comes down to it, the only players I never saw play in college are Mutumbo, Camby, Mohammed, and

Ratliff.

I'd also like to point out that according to official weigh in's a few of your weights are wrong.

Sanders weighed in at 222

Leonard weighed in at 250 (not sure where you got your number)

As far as Noel is concerned, I agree with you... he shows great lateral quickness and is definitely an explosive jumper (and needs to be because that's how he scores his points [put backs and tip in's])

As far as him having the power to stay in the post and play with the big guys... yeah I doubt it. The average weight of an NBA center is 250 lbs. Noel currently weighs 206 and even if he gets up to his 230, he still would weigh less than Larry Sanders.

Also, there was never really a question that he could play defense. We all saw that when he recorded 11 blocks in a game this year. It's his offensive game that everyone is worried about, especially with the Hornets already having a player that plays very similar to him.

[yasuhara2241]

To be honest, you're the only one reading into what "they" want.

When you list a players weight and say that you only want to talk about weight you are skewing statistics. Of course Noel is going to look good next to those other players (when you just look at weight), but when you compare Noel's game (the way he plays) to the other guys you would truly see the whole picture. It's essentially like me saying Victor Oladipo is a good three point shooter because he shoots 44% from the three point line, but I choose to leave out the fact that he only averages two three point shots; so as long as he makes one his percentage will stay in tact. You are doing the exact same thing, you are saying lets look at the players weight; but don't combine that fact with how they play because then then the numbers wouldn't be in your favor.

As far as us focusing on Garnett, there is a reason. You're the one who brought his name up...

Then you proceeded to list other skinny players, by the way Garnett entered the league out of high school; so of course he was going to be skinny... Now once again, if you only focus on weight you aren't seeing the full spectrum.

Also a few of these guys haven't completely grown into their bodies or their positions. Larry Sanders and Meyers Leonard have been in the league for less than three years and haven't had time to develop. Theo Ratliff never amounted to a great player, Nazr Mohammed either. Mutumbo was purely a defensive player and though Camby was a solid player in his day (another defensive specialist), he was never an all-star. Gortat is a foreign big and plays nothing like Noel, so it doesn't really matter or not what he weighs because he is a court wanderer. The only player I will legitimately give you the benefit of the doubt on is Joakim Noah, who is a very solid center.

As far as watching them in college, I saw a few of them play live. I saw Joakim Noah at Florida and Larry Sanders at VCU (both live). I have a good friend that went to high school with Kevin Garnett so I actually have a few tapes of his high school games (KG didn't go to college). Meyers Leonard was a rookie last year so if you watched college basketball two years ago, I'm sure you saw him play at Illinois. Marcin Gortat is foreign and never attended college. When it comes down to it, the only players I never saw play in college are Mutumbo, Camby, Mohammed, and

Ratliff.

I'd also like to point out that according to official weigh in's a few of your weights are wrong.

Sanders weighed in at 222

Leonard weighed in at 250 (not sure where you got your number)

As far as Noel is concerned, I agree with you... he shows great lateral quickness and is definitely an explosive jumper (and needs to be because that's how he scores his points [put backs and tip in's])

As far as him having the power to stay in the post and play with the big guys... yeah I doubt it. The average weight of an NBA center is 250 lbs. Noel currently weighs 206 and even if he gets up to his 230, he still would weigh less than Larry Sanders.

Also, there was never really a question that he could play defense. We all saw that when he recorded 11 blocks in a game this year. It's his offensive game that everyone is worried about, especially with the Hornets already having a player that plays very similar to him.

 

Great post! Great review! And the link I posted earlier is where I got the info. I didn't check to see if it was accurate. I understand completely your concerns with Noel and believe me I have the same concerns. 

[thatlookseasy]

He is gonna be good if he stays on the court, but injury prone big men dont just suddenly stop getting hurt- Noel had some injuries in high school too.  The question is whether his injuries are going to be like Tyson Chandler and Theo Ratliff (who miss a lot of time but keep coming back strong) or more like Greg Oden and Sam Bowie

 

BTW according to this Noel weighed 216 before the start of his freshman year, so he is skinny but not Brandan Wright skinny

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2012-Nike-Hoop-Summit-USA-Team-Measurements-3886/

 

[TheMaulClaw]

Just trade the damn pick for Bosh.

[teeray]

Keep in mind when talking about Noel's nody that he reclassified as a Senior in high school when he was a junior. Dude should be going into his freshman year in college.

Also don't get so caught up in weight. That is misleading. I played basketball in college. Our strongest guy in the weight room was also the skinniest. I outweighed him by nearly 50 pounds and he could bench more than I could.

I agree that offensive polish is a concern and I am more concerned with his health than his skill set.

If he stays healthy he will be very good in the NBA especially on defense.

[koolkatluke]

Keep in mind when talking about Noel's nody that he reclassified as a Senior in high school when he was a junior. Dude should be going into his freshman year in college.

Also don't get so caught up in weight. That is misleading. I played basketball in college. Our strongest guy in the weight room was also the skinniest. I outweighed him by nearly 50 pounds and he could bench more than I could.

I agree that offensive polish is a concern and I am more concerned with his health than his skill set.

If he stays healthy he will be very good in the NBA especially on defense.

 

He will be Theo Ratlif. If that's good enough for everybody then let's pick him then.

 

[SOJA]

during last season I wanted Noel because I felt like he was the most assured thing- at the least a good defender and rebounder. Now out of the top six guys: Oladipo, Len, McLemore, Porter, Bennet, and Noel.....I feel like Noel might be the least assured due to his tiny frame and knee problem.

 

I'll be fine with whoever we draft (except for Porter and Noel). I honestly don't think this year's piece is going to change our team at all, and thus it doesn't really matter to me who we get. 

[SOJA]

Keep in mind when talking about Noel's nody that he reclassified as a Senior in high school when he was a junior. Dude should be going into his freshman year in college.

Also don't get so caught up in weight. That is misleading. I played basketball in college. Our strongest guy in the weight room was also the skinniest. I outweighed him by nearly 50 pounds and he could bench more than I could.

I agree that offensive polish is a concern and I am more concerned with his health than his skill set.

If he stays healthy he will be very good in the NBA especially on defense.

 

 

a) bench press doesn't translate to basketball all that well. see Kevin Durant

 

b) how long were his arms and how long were yours

 

c)in his prime, Shaq was tossing around other centers like rag-dolls because he was so much more  physical than them. 

[teeray]

a) bench press doesn't translate to basketball all that well. see Kevin Durant

b) how long were his arms and how long were yours

c)in his prime, Shaq was tossing around other centers like rag-dolls because he was so much more physical than them.

I was using bench press as an example. He was wirey but very strong.

[teeray]

Noel is an athletic freak at 6'11. IF he fully recovers which is a big question mark.

Don't get me wrong I would rather have a guy with more polish like Len. I personally am a little tired of drafting guys that will need to develop offensively.

But let's not act like Noel is just some ho hum dime a dozen type prospect.

A lot of the players people talk about coming into college that make them think next year's draft will be so loaded. Well Noel was rated higher than all of them except Wiggins in high school. That is for a reason.

Having said that I would like to see us get Len or McLemore or Oladipo over Noel. I am still a little worried about Bennett and his size as a PF.

[carolina-chuck]

Just trade the damn pick for Bosh.

 

I second that. McLemore is my guy in this draft. Chances are that we're not going to land him anyway. If the rumors about us wanting a "BIG" are true, I would rather go the Bosh route. Len, Noel, Zeller, and Bennett are all intriguing, but all comes with some many question marks. Bosh is clearly a better player than what he showed in the playoffs/finals. 

[carolina-chuck]

This is the only reason why I wouldnt want Nerlens Noel. He look and talk too much like this guy:

 

 

(credit to PAINT lol)

[4Corners]

I don't want him based on the fact that he isn't a scorer and may not even play next year.