Cam wants a run game

[CRA]

I said Gettleman said Cam will run less. Rivera said that he and Gettleman are on the same page. hence most reasonable people will make the assumption that therefore Rivera will run Cam less. I am simply reading what they said and implying what would be a natural connection. You on the other hand are singlehandedly arguing against something that frankly is well understood by everyone else here. Believe what you want and I won't try to influence you given that even if I could show you 10 articles where he said we will run Cam less you would still argue with it. I tend to spend my time on activities with some likelihood of changing opinions. I have yet to see where you have ever admitted you were wrong about anything.

The read option was used quite a lot in more than 4 games. What is a focus for you? The number of times we run it or what? Is a focus 10 times, 5 times, 15 or what??? It is easy to defend yourself and then backpedal when you use vague terms like a focus??

Show me where Gettlemen said Cam will run less. Doesn't exist. All that exist his historical view of QBs when asked after he accepted the job.

Nothing is reasonable about Cam being signifantly limited in rush attempts. You can talk situational use....but Cam will continue to run.

Pretty sure you argued all last offseason Cam will be limited in rush attempts....how did that turn out.

Again, pot meet kettle. When are you admittedly wrong. I was wrong about Jarrett....only thing on this board Inhave devoted real energy to that blew up on me. Back peddle? You still claim signing 2 RBs to big deals was the right call.

[panthers55]

Show me where Gettlemen said Cam will run less. Doesn't exist. All that exist his historical view of QBs when asked after he accepted the job.

Nothing is reasonable about Cam being signifantly limited in rush attempts. You can talk situational use....but Cam will continue to run.

Pretty sure you argued all last offseason Cam will be limited in rush attempts....how did that turn out.

Again, pot meet kettle. When are you admittedly wrong. I was wrong about Jarrett....only thing on this board Inhave devoted real energy to that blew up on me. Back peddle? You still claim signing 2 RBs to big deals was the right call.

He said it within one month of getting hired. I am sure someone with less to do can look for it.  I know he said it, everyone else knows he said it.  Whether you believe it or not, who cares.

 

And no I didn't say that Cam would be limited in his carries. Go find it. It doesn't exist.  Your words.

 

And again I never said that signing both backs to big contracts was right.  I said that we had to sign Williams because of 2010, Richardson blowing up the team, not sure what Cam would do etc.  We signed Stewart to a big contract expected 2014 to be a TV contract year which it wasn't.  So the landscape has changed and decisions made then had to be altered.  Was it wrong then??  Debatable.  Wrong in hindsight??  That is always 20-20.

[MadHatter]

And Cam virtually ran the exact same number of times in 11 and 12.

Point is Cam runs under Rivera....how he runs doesn't matter. Running the read option smarter doesn't mean Cam's game suddenly will be that of Eli. Only a poo coach/franchise would make the biggest mismatch in NFL history largely one dimensional at this stage of his career

 

So he posted a comment from Rivera saying that we overused it last year and that it would not be a staple of the offense....yet you STILL refuse to accept and believe it.

 

You are just fuging incredible.

[CRA]

He said it within one month of getting hired. I am sure someone with less to do can look for it. I know he said it, everyone else knows he said it. Whether you believe it or not, who cares.

And no I didn't say that Cam would be limited in his carries. Go find it. It doesn't exist. Your words.

And again I never said that signing both backs to big contracts was right. I said that we had to sign Williams because of 2010, Richardson blowing up the team, not sure what Cam would do etc. We signed Stewart to a big contract expected 2014 to be a TV contract year which it wasn't. So the landscape has changed and decisions made then had to be altered. Was it wrong then?? Debatable. Wrong in hindsight?? That is always 20-20.

Panthers55 on this very page "Cam Newton will run less".

Saying that certainly implied being limited....and a noteworthy amount.

And again, show me wher Gettlemen said Cam will run less. What he did...was when asked....said what his view has been on QBs running when hired. You are twisting his statement as more than it was and as certain fact...and that he is will dictate playcalls.

Long story short on RBs.

CRA - pick one and move on

55- no, CRA we need and can sign both

[CRA]

So he posted a comment from Rivera saying that we overused it last year and that it would not be a staple of the offense....yet you STILL refuse to accept and believe it.

You are just fuging incredible.

Cam ran x amount as a rookie

Cam ran same amount a a sophomore

My point is only Cam will run. People are too caught up in talking about what the read option was 4 weeks of 2012. I am not talking about those 4 weeks as AGAIN it is not an accurate reflection of the read option in Carolina and Rivera addressed that small window.

So again, look at how the read option was used with Cam in all games outside of the small 4 game window to open the 12 season. It WAS a wrinkle/option.....which coach and GM says will remain.

I have said only it will remain a wrinkle/option.....as it was for te BULK of the games it was used. It overall was not a staple. That was a small mistake and already corrected last year.

So again, what am I not accepting?

[CRA]

Fine. Cam will run less than 100 times this year. Of those less than 40 will be designed.

I don't get care about the designed or what not runs....he is a natural runner. So it will just happen.

so you are suggesting he runs on average 4-5 times a game. A little low. He is too good at converting 3rd downs and moving chains with his legs..

I near 40 yr old Steve Young pulled off those average rush attempts per game. No reason Cam should be running less than Steve Young or even on par. He should run more than Steve Young

[MadHatter]

Cam ran x amount as a rookie

Cam ran same amount a a sophomore

?

But, those two years were with the same OC and GM.

Both Shula and Gettlemen said it will be de-emphasized. So, I still think he will run, but less.

I think we will see him run 5-6 times a game, including scrambles. That would give him 80-90 runs instead of 125.

But, only time will tell.

[CRA]

But, those two years were with the same OC and GM.

Both Shula and Gettlemen said it will be de-emphasized. So, I still think he will run, but less.

I think we will see him run 5-6 times a game, including scrambles. That would give him 80-90 runs instead of 125.

But, only time will tell.

GM doesn't mean much here as far as I am concerned....

And Shula is only the OC to keep Cam going down the same road he has been on...

Read option wasn't a big emphasis....always a wrinkle unless you just want to talk a 4 game stretch. Rush attempts are simply there for Cam. It was de-emphasized all 2011 and most of 12.....rush attempts and whether the read option is barely or over used hasn't really altered Cams's rushes.

[Ace_Aladdin]

So let me get this straight, an owner who just less than a week ago Gettleman said was not that involved in day to day activities because he had outside interests (as opposed to the Giants whose owners are there every day) is going to have more influence than the GM who is there every day, has been involved in multiple organizations for the past 25 years, and is reportedly involved in every aspect of the game like attending every practice.

 

Seriously????  Just because he doesn't agree with you doesn't mean he won't or shouldn't be involved.  You do know what a grinder is right??  A guy who gets ahead by working hard, putting in the hours paying attention to all the details, etc.  Hint: Grinder are folks who are involved and managing every aspect.  Gettleman has been called a Grinder by virtually everyone.

 

 

He also reports  to Richardson every week .....Richardson may have other interest but i'm pretty sure this football team is also a business and he has important hand in lot of the work  we may not know or is reported...........the only thing Gettleman is going to have say in is the final 53 roster and dealing with the team financially ........find the link where he has coaching influence...

[CRA]

Read option was de-emphasized last year after a crazy start.....

2012

Designed runs

First 8 games - 40

Last 8 games- 38

Virtually the same

Scrambles

First 8 games - 14

Last 8 games - 19

Virtually the same

Other

First 8 games - 8

Last 8 games - 11

Virtually the same

Overall rushes

First 8 games - 59

Last 8 games - 68

The more "traditional" and the more the zone read was "de-emphasized" last year.....didn't translate to fewer rush attempts.....he actually had more. Natural runner. Also, note his 2nd half of the season is when he really turned it on and was one of the most productive QBs in the entire NFL. So yeah, if you are going to claim he will run significantly less.....it should be based on something more than a vague sound bite of when Gettlemen was just hired and asked about his traditional view going in on QBs.

Wasn't Shula credited with the 2nd half shift recently? Facts don't show the Shula/Rivera shift last year in offense meant Cam is less of a runner.

[ThunderKatt]

Is water wet when submerged or fresh out of water? Lol

This just in---

WATER IS WET

[FootballMaestro]

He also reports  to Richardson every week .....Richardson may have other interest but i'm pretty sure this football team is also a business and he has important hand in lot of the work  we may not know or is reported...........the only thing Gettleman is going to have say in is the final 53 roster and dealing with the team financially ........find the link where he has coaching influence...

 

I highly doubt Richardson would be more involved in the coaching and teams direction (at least for this discussion)  than Gettleman. 

 

As far as coaching and direction, just look at Gettlemen's chops, history, resume and background? 

 

Of course he will help Rivera plan his year, direction and coaching/duties. That's his job!

 

This is of course in stark contrast of Hurney, who couldn't get the respect of Rivera, or JR for that matter. 

 

As far as your question again: Gettleman effects the coaching, cause he provides the direction of the team, from the top down, which of course effects the coaching and direction of the team. The De-Emphasis of the Read Option is an example of that. 

 

If you didn't think Gettleman had influence: Why do you think he wanted to watch Tape of all 16 games in 2012, and probably 2011 for that matter? Come on now. 

 

In addition: Remember, in this relationship/situation, Gettleman probably holds more power and clout than Ron Rivera, who up until this point in his career has accomplished nothing as a Head Coach. 

[panthers55]

Panthers55 on this very page "Cam Newton will run less".

Saying that certainly implied being limited....and a noteworthy amount.

And again, show me wher Gettlemen said Cam will run less. What he did...was when asked....said what his view has been on QBs running when hired. You are twisting his statement as more than it was and as certain fact...and that he is will dictate playcalls.

Long story short on RBs.

CRA - pick one and move on

55- no, CRA we need and can sign both

In 2013 he will run less you can take it to the bank.  In 2012 I said nothing either way. 

 

Gettleman said the following:

 

The Carolina Panthers general manager, speaking Thursday at the NFL scouting combine, said he wants to see a downhill running game, a vertical offense and play-action passing -- a formula Eli Manning and the Giants used throughout Gettleman's front-office run in New York.

"It's basically going to be similar to what we did in New York and I think that worked out pretty well," Gettleman said.

 

"Ten of the 12 teams in the playoffs this year had true pocket passers," Gettleman said. "At the end of the day, the quarterback has to make plays from the pocket. I think the read option is an option. But at the end of the day, your quarterback has got to make plays from the pocket, and if he can't, you're going to struggle."

Here is what the observer said this morning:

The Panthers are de-emphasizing the zone read play under new OC Mike Shula.

During OTAs and minicamps, the Panthers did not practice very many option plays. The franchise wants Cam Newton to make plays from the pocket first and use his legs to create opportunities in the scrambling game. Essentially, Shula is planning on running more of a conventional offense that features base runs to the backs. It's a good thing for Jonathan Stewart and DeAngelo Williams, but it could lead to deflated rushing stats for Newton. In his first two NFL seasons, he's rushed 253 times for a jaw-dropping 1,447 yards and 22 touchdowns

 

 

Cam Newton QB CAR 4 Months

Coach Ron Rivera told PFT Live that Cam Newton's first-half struggles in 2012 occurred because the Panthers "put too much on his plate."

"I think we put too much on him," said Rivera. "(In the second half) we backed off of that. Took a little bit off his plate. Put a little more on the playmakers. Put the ball in the running backs' hands. Put the ball in the tight end's hands. Put the ball in the receivers' hands, and all of a sudden you started to see (Cam) grow and develop." New coordinator Mike Shula -- Carolina's quarterbacks coach last year -- is credited with helping to "simplify" the offense for Newton.

 

 

Did Gettleman come out and say Cam will run less?   Not specifically.  But my 7th grader has good enough reading comprehension to see that we will. Does anybody besides CRA still think we will use the read option like we did and run newton like we did last year??

[CRA]

In 2013 he will run less you can take it to the bank. In 2012 I said nothing either way.

Gettleman said the following:

The Carolina Panthers general manager, speaking Thursday at the NFL scouting combine, said he wants to see a downhill running game, a vertical offense and play-action passing -- a formula Eli Manning and the Giants used throughout Gettleman's front-office run in New York.

"It's basically going to be similar to what we did in New York and I think that worked out pretty well," Gettleman said.

"Ten of the 12 teams in the playoffs this year had true pocket passers," Gettleman said. "At the end of the day, the quarterback has to make plays from the pocket. I think the read option is an option. But at the end of the day, your quarterback has got to make plays from the pocket, and if he can't, you're going to struggle."

Here is what the observer said this morning:

The Panthers are de-emphasizing the zone read play under new OC Mike Shula.

During OTAs and minicamps, the Panthers did not practice very many option plays. The franchise wants Cam Newton to make plays from the pocket first and use his legs to create opportunities in the scrambling game. Essentially, Shula is planning on running more of a conventional offense that features base runs to the backs. It's a good thing for Jonathan Stewart and DeAngelo Williams, but it could lead to deflated rushing stats for Newton. In his first two NFL seasons, he's rushed 253 times for a jaw-dropping 1,447 yards and 22 touchdowns

Cam Newton QB CAR 4 Months

Coach Ron Rivera told PFT Live that Cam Newton's first-half struggles in 2012 occurred because the Panthers "put too much on his plate."

"I think we put too much on him," said Rivera. "(In the second half) we backed off of that. Took a little bit off his plate. Put a little more on the playmakers. Put the ball in the running backs' hands. Put the ball in the tight end's hands. Put the ball in the receivers' hands, and all of a sudden you started to see (Cam) grow and develop." New coordinator Mike Shula -- Carolina's quarterbacks coach last year -- is credited with helping to "simplify" the offense for Newton.

Did Gettleman come out and say Cam will run less? Not specifically. But my 7th grader has good enough reading comprehension to see that we will. Does anybody besides CRA still think we will use the read option like we did and run newton like we did last year??

Cam ran more in the 2nd half of 2012 than first half....

You ignore that tidbit....

That was with the "Shula" credited shift in offense....with less read option.

You could remove the read option all together.....Cam still runs. I have been on record 100 times saying the read option will be more like 2011 than 12. An option....nothing we have seen with a very limited read option is backed by Cam running less.

You can continue to claim I think the read option will look look like the start of 12....but I don't. Cam as he showed in 11 and the 2nd half of 12 runs regardless do how little we run the zone read.

So again, what supports Cam running significantly less....little read option doesn't, the credited Shula shift doesn't, nothing Rivera has said does. All you are really basing it on is a GM sound bite about having to make plays in the pocket at the end of the day........and Newton does that.