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[DaveThePanther2008]

 

Hard to argue with this guy when you look at last year's prediction....

 

 

DaveThePanther2008

DaveThePanther2008

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 12:54 PM

Incredible. I gotta say the Cap Cam and Incredible Beason are my 2 favorites.

Cool write up. I did a take on the Panthers season and came away 13-3 too.

This year all those close losses are going to be close wins.

Go Panthers

 

 

 

Majority means NOT ALL.  A.H.

[DaveThePanther2008]

Yes because what happens when one of the worst safeties in the league consistently ranked in the bottom tier in his position every single year joins forces with a reject Raider who was rated -5.1 by pff in 2012? One of the best safety tandems in the league, bro

 

Once again, too many of you look at a person as an individual on a team.  Sometimes poor play is because of others weak positions on the team.  Not saying that person isn't a liability but in a different situation they can thrive. 

 

Mitchell seems to be fitting in quite nicely and IMO he'll do well.

 

You are so worried about a rating from PFF.   I don't even follow those damn rating just because they focus on an individual. 

 

Go back and look at our 2003 DBs.  Who where they.  Cousins and Howard and Manning at the Nickel.  Minter and Grant at safety.   We'll have solid play from our DBs.  

 

I will take Gettleman's opinion of Mitchell over yours.  I highly doubt we brought him in because Gettleman was doing him a favor. 

[frash.exe]

you literally said "we're as good as anybody at safety" when these guys have proven for years they aren't

 

safety is a disaster waiting to happen as soon as the rush is contained

[frash.exe]

why am i going to go back ten years before the league started molly coddling the receivers and handcuffed defensive backs?

 

just because it would be convenient for you?

[iamhubby1]

Just because Safety HAS been a sore spot, does not automatically mean it WILL be again this year.

Kids grow, schemes are learned, improvement can be made. But let's just jump to worse case scenario. Ah the Huddlez, where the unhappy come to share their gifts.

[panthers55]

When you talk about how good our offense and defense are because they were "top 12" you aren't being objective. Both were ranked 18th in points (you know the most meaningful stat, the one that actually determines wins and losses). Doesn't matter where they ranked in yards, 18th in points along with bad special teams means you aren't a good team.

Using rankings with no context makes point scored for or against a less meaningful stat.  The difference in points scored between the 10th ranked team and the 18th ranked team was 2 points a game.  The 10th ranked team- the Baltimore Ravens scored 24.9 points a game.  At 18th place we scored 22.3 points game.  You can argue that the 2.6 points a game made all the difference but the team we tied at 18th place was Indianapolis who ended up 10-6 and was a playoff team.

On defense the difference between the 9th ranked team (Houston at 20.7) and us at 18th (22.7) was again 2 points.  Again Indy was not ranked higher than us finishing in 21st place at 24.2 points surrendered a game.

 

And while I grant you we didn't finish that well at 28 in special teams, the 31st ranked team- Houston finished pretty well..  

 

Part of the issue is that we started so slow that the numbers don't really tell the tale given we have really 2 seasons.  The first half of the season and the second 8 games.  Plus when you lose 7 games by less than 7 points you aren't a bad team so much as a poor finisher. We were a very competitive team that was in almost every game which doesn't make you bad simply not a mature team that knows how to win.    

[frash.exe]

Just because Safety HAS been a sore spot, does not automatically mean it WILL be again this year.

Kids grow, schemes are learned, improvement can be made. But let's just jump to worse case scenario. Ah the Huddlez, where the unhappy come to share their gifts.

Godfrey's verging on his 6th year and Mitchell's going on his 5th

They're not exactly young turks by nfl standards

[iamhubby1]

Using rankings with no context makes point scored for or against a less meaningful stat.  The difference in points scored between the 10th ranked team and the 18th ranked team was 2 points a game.  The 10th ranked team- the Baltimore Ravens scored 24.9 points a game.  At 18th place we scored 22.3 points game.  You can argue that the 2.6 points a game made all the difference but the team we tied at 18th place was Indianapolis who ended up 10-6 and was a playoff team.

On defense the difference between the 9th ranked team (Houston at 20.7) and us at 18th (22.7) was again 2 points.  Again Indy was not ranked higher than us finishing in 21st place at 24.2 points surrendered a game.

 

And while I grant you we didn't finish that well at 28 in special teams, the 31st ranked team- Houston finished pretty well..  

 

Part of the issue is that we started so slow that the numbers don't really tell the tale given we have really 2 seasons.  The first half of the season and the second 8 games.  Plus when you lose 7 games by less than 7 points you aren't a bad team so much as a poor finisher. We were a very competitive team that was in almost every game which doesn't make you bad simply not a mature team that knows how to win.

I think, for the average fan, it is difficult to accept that winning is not a given. It is a learned skill. Until you go through the things you need to learn, you don't really know how to react to them.

IMO, there are two things that I feel are the main reasons we should have a good year. This is the third year for Rivera, Cam, most of the players and coaches. They have been through hellz, and they have come out ready to fight. That, and Cam learning that the check down can be a weapon.

This team is ready for the big time. Folks can fear and worry over history. But if they would open their eyes, they would see that the future has already started. It basically started when Cam embraced the check down, and quit trying to carry the team.

We were winning games last year because we were a good team learning how to win. I see no reason that attitude and momentum cannot carry over into this year.

[chef17]

Using rankings with no context makes point scored for or against a less meaningful stat.  The difference in points scored between the 10th ranked team and the 18th ranked team was 2 points a game.  The 10th ranked team- the Baltimore Ravens scored 24.9 points a game.  At 18th place we scored 22.3 points game.  You can argue that the 2.6 points a game made all the difference but the team we tied at 18th place was Indianapolis who ended up 10-6 and was a playoff team.

On defense the difference between the 9th ranked team (Houston at 20.7) and us at 18th (22.7) was again 2 points.  Again Indy was not ranked higher than us finishing in 21st place at 24.2 points surrendered a game.

 

And while I grant you we didn't finish that well at 28 in special teams, the 31st ranked team- Houston finished pretty well..  

 

Part of the issue is that we started so slow that the numbers don't really tell the tale given we have really 2 seasons.  The first half of the season and the second 8 games.  Plus when you lose 7 games by less than 7 points you aren't a bad team so much as a poor finisher. We were a very competitive team that was in almost every game which doesn't make you bad simply not a mature team that knows how to win.    

 

The difference between 10 and 18th doesn't matter. 18th is in the bottom half, that's bad no matter how you look at it. How is a poor finisher not a bad team? Doesn't matter how you lose, when you lose more games than you win you're a bad team.

[iamhubby1]

Godfrey's verging on his 6th year and Mitchell's going on his 5th

They're not exactly young turks by nfl standards

One could also say they are reaching their prime.

We have a good mix of youth and experience. We also have Wilks and Rivera. Coupled with our front 7, we may be better than most folks are willing to believe.

I have seen kids grow. It happens all the time. Why not us? Why not this year?

[iamhubby1]

The difference between 10 and 18th doesn't matter. 18th is in the bottom half, that's bad no matter how you look at it. How is a poor finisher not a bad team? Doesn't matter how you lose, when you lose more games than you win you're a bad team.

So how do you downplay our 5-1 finish last year? We were winning more than we were losing. So we must have been a good team. Right?

LOL, Fans who want to use wins and loses as the only litmus test.

But, but, I want wins. I am a fan, I deserve them. Kids.

The Panthers have only been around for 17 going on 18 years. They have already had far more success than my Lions have in the last 45. Try that on for size.

[panthers55]

The difference between 10 and 18th doesn't matter. 18th is in the bottom half, that's bad no matter how you look at it. How is a poor finisher not a bad team? Doesn't matter how you lose, when you lose more games than you win you're a bad team.

There are many folks who use the same sort of black and white thinking who would agree with you. But to assume that rankings alone tell the whole story also assumes that all team play equal strength schedules and face similar competition so that rankings are equal. Plus saying that going 7-9 makes you bad but going 9-7 makes you good is again simplistic concrete thinking with no separation between a team that goes 2-14 from one that went 7-9 and frankly handed a number of games away. So by your logic our 2-14 team in 2010 was just as bad as our team in 2012 because they both lost more than they won.

[chef17]

So how do you downplay our 5-1 finish last year? We were winning more than we were losing. So we must have been a good team. Right?

LOL, Fans who want to use wins and loses as the only litmus test.

But, but, I want wins. I am a fan, I deserve them. Kids.

The Panthers have only been around for 17 going on 18 years. They have already had far more success than my Lions have in the last 45. Try that on for size.

 

I'm not downplaying the finish. I said last season not the last 6 games. And what kind of retarded question is that? When the whole point is to win yeah you judge whether a team is good and bad on wins and losses.

[chef17]

There are many folks who use the same sort of black and white thinking who would agree with you. But to assume that rankings alone tell the whole story also assumes that all team play equal strength schedules and face similar competition so that rankings are equal. Plus saying that going 7-9 makes you bad but going 9-7 makes you good is again simplistic concrete thinking with no separation between a team that goes 2-14 from one that went 7-9 and frankly handed a number of games away. So by your logic our 2-14 team in 2010 was just as bad as our team in 2012 because they both lost more than they won.

 

Nice try but you might wanna actually go off what I say instead of making stuff up. Obviously a 2-14 team is worse than a 7-9 team. Doesn't change the fact that neither are good.