DA KRAKEN IS IN THE HOUSEEEEE (and they let me start my own topic)

[X-Clown]

He didn't deserve the comments he was receiving, but he sturred the pot with second hand rumors that still to this day can not be confirmed. He also was a strong supporter of us signing Vick, which you know the controversy behind that. Me and him had a debate about these things, which didn't resort to name calling or childish remarks although he was kind of a smart ass. So it's hard for me to think of him as innocent in this whole ordeal. He was poking a stick at an aggressive pitbull when he was posting.

All he said was that he heard Matt Moore wasn't doing well with picking up the playbook and praticing well, which doesn't seem so far fetched knowing what we know now. In addition, frank garcia was saying the same thing on 610, that he had heard sinilar things from people in the organization. Signing Vick was not

something I wanted either, but just because it was his opinion and you didn't agree with it means he was a pot stirrer.

[KillerKat]

All he said was that he heard Matt Moore wasn't doing well with picking up the playbook and praticing well, which doesn't seem so far fetched knowing what we know now. In addition, frank garcia was saying the same thing on 610, that he had heard sinilar things from people in the organization. Signing Vick was not

something I wanted either, but just because it was his opinion and you didn't agree with it means he was a pot stirrer.

Let's not take into consideration he was concussed early in the season and Fox played the whole situation terribly. Besides, he did put in a really decent season for Miami when he was there. Him stating these RUMORS and his hard on for Vick did make him a pot stirrer. You can spin it as lightly as you want, but if some other non-player poster posted something about any of our QBs like that and was a strong advocate for some scum like Vick, they would've caught hell even more than what Morgan did.

[TheRed]

He said that he would sign Vick prior to the 2011 season and he was crucified for it... no excuse for the head injury comments, totally classless and disrespectful, especially when you consider he sustained those head injuries while playing his heart out for this fanbase. 

 

The kicker he, HE WAS RIGHT... Vick was an MVP candidate in 2011 while Clausen crapped the bed. 

 

So, when the Kraken gives a football opinion on here ya'll need to STFU and listen. 

 

Personally I did not want Vick anywhere near this franchise.

 

That said though, Dan did not deserve any of those comments simply because he offered his opinion.

 

However, like someone else already said. If it weren't for Clausen's awful play we may not have gotten Cam.

[rayzor]

Can we please stop acting like Dan Morgan was completely innocent when he was posting?

 

he was attacked by asshole posters pretending that they have anything bigger than a gecko penis.

 

 

[CatMan72]

Two things...

Vick was playing in Andy Reid's offense, the same quarterback friendly system that made Kevin Kolb and A J Feeley look good enough for other team's to trade picks for them. But even that wasn't enough to help him the next season. And heck, this season he might not even be named the starter.

There's that, but even more to the point, acquiring Vick at that time would have made it extremely unlikely that we'd have ended up with Cam Newton. Cam for Vick is not a trade I'd be willing to make.

All the respect in the world to Dan Morgan for the player he was, and yes, the concussion jokes were completely out of line...

...but he was wrong.

 

I understand the scheme fit, etc... but it's hard for me to believe we wouldn't have been MUCH better off with Vick under center in 2011 then we were with Clausen (not sure how much worse we could have been) so I think that's a pretty easy assumption to make. 

 

In hindsight I agree, I would not trade Cam for Vick but at the time most of us had never even heard of Cam Newton, so it's not like anyone could have sat there and said "Wait Dan, what about this Cam Newton kid that just transferred to Auburn from Blinn JC and has yet to take a snap?". 

 

The real problem was that Vick did and still does create a visceral reaction in many people for who he is both on and off the field. Fans view things differently than players do, Dan was looking at it purely from a football perspective and he stepped into a mine field. I didn't have any problem with people disagreeing with him, but the head injury comments were totally inexcusable and I don't blame Dan for logging out and never coming back. 

[X-Clown]

Let's not take into consideration he was concussed early in the season and Fox played the whole situation terribly. Besides, he did put in a really decent season for Miami when he was there. Him stating these RUMORS and his hard on for Vick did make him a pot stirrer. You can spin it as lightly as you want, but if some other non-player poster posted something about any of our QBs like that and was a strong advocate for some scum like Vick, they would've caught hell even more than what Morgan did.

Morgan's comments were made during the 2009 season when people were wondering why Moore wasn't seeing playing time. And i wasnt just referencing his 2010 play. Moore played well in 2011, but he couldn't beat chad henne out to get the job, and like he did here, played nice when no pressure was on and henne got hurt. Then he got beat out by both David garrard and Ryan tanehill last year, and got no sniffs in the FA market this year to be a starter. So again, it's fair to say Dan had a point.

Him stating that he played against Vick and thought he would be a good fit for us does not equal having a hardon for him. It just means that was his opinion and apparently you hate Vick so much that he's apparently not entitled to post that without you attacking him. And even if he was wrong about how Vick would have turned out, are you batting 1.000 with GM esque decisions/opinions?

[CatMan72]

No, the kicker is that you don't know what you're talking about and neither did Morgan. Morgan deserved the criticism he got, although not the head injury comments.

 

Scott already said it. Vick was in a Reid system that makes QBs look better than they really are. It helped him for 1 season, but after teams got tape on him Vick looked like the normal Vick. One in which could not throw worth a damn. Plus he is a POS human that I wouldnt want in the locker room.

 

And also lol @ thinking Vick would've even had 6 good games under Fox.

 

Being an athelete doesn't give that person free reign to say stupid things. Everyone is the same, so if anyone says something stupid, they deserve to know about it.

 

Dan Morgan doesn't know what he's talking about... I guess I'm in pretty good company there, thanks!  

 

So you don't think we would have been any better off with Vick then we were with Clausen???

 

Is it even possible to do any worse than Clausen did? LOL

[carpanfan96]

Dan Morgan doesn't know what he's talking about... I guess I'm in pretty good company there, thanks!  

 

So you don't think we would have been any better off with Vick then we were with Clausen???

 

Is it even possible to do any worse than Clausen did? LOL

 

 

It's asinine to think that the team wouldn't have won more games with Vick at QB. Clausen had one of the worst statistical seasons ever for a QB. Regardless of how anyone feels about Vick as a human being, the team would've won more games and been better. 

 

Hindsight is 50-50, so you can't mention Cam Newton in this discussion because that wasn't a factor then. Of course no one would trade Cam Newton for Vick, but that's now and this was years ago before most people didn't know who Cam Newton was. 

 

I'm glad it worked out the way it did though because we have Cam Newton at QB. 

[Seal (SmittyIsOurSavior)]

I'm all for man crushes, I have plenty, but the way you sounded in that post made it sound a little more than a hetro-sexual bromance. To each his own though...

 

I mean, if you were a UNC student and a huuuge football fan of the Heels last season, you'd understand it.

[Taro ∆]

No need to explain. UNC student tells me everything lol.

[KillerKat]

Morgan's comments were made during the 2009 season when people were wondering why Moore wasn't seeing playing time. And i wasnt just referencing his 2010 play. Moore played well in 2011, but he couldn't beat chad henne out to get the job, and like he did here, played nice when no pressure was on and henne got hurt. Then he got beat out by both David garrard and Ryan tanehill last year, and got no sniffs in the FA market this year to be a starter. So again, it's fair to say Dan had a point.

Him stating that he played against Vick and thought he would be a good fit for us does not equal having a hardon for him. It just means that was his opinion and apparently you hate Vick so much that he's apparently not entitled to post that without you attacking him. And even if he was wrong about how Vick would have turned out, are you batting 1.000 with GM esque decisions/opinions?

Because I said he played decent doesn't mean he is a starter. He put up a decent season in Miami as a solid backup that was forced into a starting role. Playing solid doesn't equal starter.

 

To me, if he doesn't understand the playbook and doesn't practice well then he wouldn't have been viewed as a starter by Miami. And obviously he was viewed as one here too before he was concussed. And if the comments were made during 2009 (which I thought was after 2009) you can make the arguement Morgan was dead wrong. Are we ignoring Fox's love affair with Delhomme now? Again it was rumors Morgan was spreading. If it was some poster that wasn't a player, you and everyone else would've called that poster worse than what Morgan was called.

 

And spare me the "it was just an opinion" when it comes to Vick. Anyone else here got bashed and torn apart whenever they suggested him. But I guess we should lighten up on Morgan since he is an athlete.He was partitioning hard for him and was a smart ass while in debate.

 

And please improve your reading comprehension. Debating does not equal attacking. Attacking is what those that posted comments about his head injuries.

 

Since you love over generalzations, apparently you have a big man crush on Morgan for defending him so vigorously. Again, If any other poster said what he did, it would've been 10 times worse.

[KillerKat]

Dan Morgan doesn't know what he's talking about... I guess I'm in pretty good company there, thanks!  

 

So you don't think we would have been any better off with Vick then we were with Clausen???

 

Is it even possible to do any worse than Clausen did? LOL

Count the number of successful QBs under John Fox and count the failures. Vick is a gimmick. He wouldn't have helped out a lot especially under Fox. As far as passing, even Vick couldn't keep up with Delhomme.

[SmootsDaddy89]

Hey Greg have you ever considered hiding small fish tank filled with squid under your jersey during a game and when you sack someone "releasing" them onto their face while they're laying on the turf in agony?

 

 

I mean, you'd probably never play another down in the NFL again, but it'd be cool right?

[CRA]

Count the number of successful QBs under John Fox and count the failures. Vick is a gimmick. He wouldn't have helped out a lot especially under Fox. As far as passing, even Vick couldn't keep up with Delhomme.

How many QBs under Fox had losing records as starting QBs?

Clausen and Carr? Those are both just poo QBs. Fox could of won with Vick if Vick stayed healthy