Coaching is the Key to Success in 2013

[2jakefansinva]

I meant "season".  Good catch--remarkably, he did not lose the team at all.  I really think he lost the season by focusing his attention on the defense because going into last year,  

Chud was highly regarded and the offense was clicking. 

Rivera, by his own admission, was going to have his hand on the operations on the defensive side of the ball, his area of expertise.

I do not think (and this is pure speculation, as is most of what is said on discussion boards) RR knew how to fix the unexpected offensive ills--the slow start last year.  I do not think Chud knew.

 

I think (and I am going out on a small limb here) that Rivera's game management was an issue because he did not  have more of a global perspective of the team.  I think that changed at the end of the season, but not until after everyone said his job was on the line. 

 

I also expect Rivera to be better in 2013.  Having the support and respect of the players is important. 

 

Here is the biggest supposition I am going to make:  Could the simplified verbage be, in part, something Rivera requested so that he could monitor the offense more effectively?  They would never say it and it is probably not the case, but we never know

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yep......that's got to be the reason.

 

dumbing down the offense so the head coach can understand it.

[FootballMaestro]

I meant "season".  Good catch--remarkably, he did not lose the team at all.  I really think he lost the season by focusing his attention on the defense because going into last year,  

Chud was highly regarded and the offense was clicking. 

Rivera, by his own admission, was going to have his hand on the operations on the defensive side of the ball, his area of expertise.

I do not think (and this is pure speculation, as is most of what is said on discussion boards) RR knew how to fix the unexpected offensive ills--the slow start last year.  I do not think Chud knew.

 

I think (and I am going out on a small limb here) that Rivera's game management was an issue because he did not  have more of a global perspective of the team.  I think that changed at the end of the season, but not until after everyone said his job was on the line. 

 

I also expect Rivera to be better in 2013.  Having the support and respect of the players is important. 

 

Here is the biggest supposition I am going to make:  Could the simplified verbage be, in part, something Rivera requested so that he could monitor the offense more effectively?  They would never say it and it is probably not the case, but we never know.

 

The fact that Chud and Rivera, thought increasing the read option based sets and playing calling would be better for the offense, firmly illustrates the ineptitude and Naivete both Chud and Chico displayed as a recently christened coaching two-some. So it doesn't appear, they ever thought it would blow up in their faces like that, especially since they were so stubbornly committed to it, when it obviously wasn't consistently working. Lol. 

 

Note: I'm not talking about the read option in it self. I'm also including, the reduction of two tight end sets, long pass routes--with a depleted O-Line, along with lesser Pro-sets, in which the offense was successful with in 2011. 

 

Rivera was just a poor Executive, Head Coach. He's already admitted that. And stated, he 'could have done a better job at delegating authority, and overseeing the ENTIRE TEAM that he's responsible for. '

 

I think Gettlemen being there, may actually help Rivera more than many of us realize. Rivera, now knows, there's no idiot back there, and this team has to operate like an NFL caliber Offense and Defense (not sure anyone can guarantee legitimacy of the special teams, though I hope so, look forward to it). 

 

I think the simplified verbiage, is more than likely Cam, Shula, and any other players idea. This is probably, to speed up the sets, keep the defense guessing, and having one, two or three more scoring opportunities by the end of the day. I doubt it's for Rivera. 

 

As a head coach, it's not up to Rivera to know the minutiae offensive play calling (both on and off the field). However, it's his job to know the teams direction, approve of the overall, and weekly game plan, and to make the big decisions during games. 

 

I hope that helps?

[MHS831]

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yep......that's got to be the reason.

 

dumbing down the offense so the head coach can understand it.

Chud's offense was slowing down the huddle and the new offensive coordinator found it necessary to simplify for the players who play the position.  If you have ever played football beyond Pop Warner B league you would know that the head coach does not necessarily get involved with the details and technical aspects of the communications on the field.  Some do---some don't. 

 

I stated that this could be one of the reasons---and that it probably was not---so what is your point?   Do you actually know the answer?  If so, what is your source?

[MHS831]

The fact that Chud and Rivera, thought increasing the read option based sets and playing calling would be better of the offense, firmly illustrates the ineptitude and Naivete Chud and Chico displayed as a two-some. So it doesn't appear, they ever thought it would blow up in their faces like that, especially since they were stubbornly committed to it, when it obviously wasn't consistently working. Lol. 

 

Note: When I say this; I'm not talking about the read option in it self. I'm also including, the reduction of two tight end sets, long pass routes--with a depleted O-Line, along with lesser Pro-sets, in which the offense was successful with in 2011. 

 

Rivera was just a poor Executive, Head Coach. He's already admitted that. And stated, he 'could have done a better job at delegating authority, and overseeing the ENTIRE TEAM that he's responsible for. '

 

I think Gettlemen being there, may actually help Rivera more than anything. He knows now, there's no idiot back there, and this team has to operate like an NFL caliber Offense and Defense (not sure anyone can guarantee legitimacy of the special teams). 

 

I think the simplified verbiage, is more than likely Cam, Shula, and any other players idea. As a head coach, it's not up to Rivera to know the minutiae offensive play calling (both on and off the field). However, it's his job to know the teams direct, approve of the game plan, and to make big decisions during the game. 

 

I hope that helps?

Not negative at all.  The purpose here was to speculate, analyze, and hypothesize.  You do it and it is aligned with what I suggest to a degree.  I like the Gettlemen comments, but I wonder how solid it is right now, if he really sees Gettlemen as supportive or as the person who is thinking beyond 2013. 

 

It is an interesting twist to what might be a solid relationship--.  To add to your point, I think a lot of Fox's frustration was due to Hurney.

[hepcat]

Rivera is still the same guy that called a timeout to let New Orleans kick a field goal before halftime in 2011.  He left a timeout on the board against Chicago in 2012 when Cutler and Marshall kept running the same play on the final drive to win the game.  

 

If you can't even make the playoffs with Cam, one of the most talented QB's to ever play the game, then you have no business being a head coach.  The Falcons made the playoffs with Vick and Cam is much better QB than he ever was or will be.

[FootballMaestro]

Rivera is still the same guy that called a timeout to let New Orleans kick a field goal before halftime in 2011.  He left a timeout on the board against Chicago in 2012 when Cutler and Marshall kept running the same play on the final drive to win the game.  

 

If you can't even make the playoffs with Cam, one of the most talented QB's to ever play the game, then you have no business being a head coach.  The Falcons made the playoffs with Vick and Cam is much better QB than he ever was or will be.

 

I agree with everything you said, and then some.

 

Rivera has been a woe some head coach in so many area's, indeed.

 

So no matter what some Huddler's think Rivera was actually 'good in', it didn't add up to an overall competent NFL caliber Head Coach. No sir-ee. No! Lol. 

 

Nonetheless, I'm going to give Rivera the benefit of the doubt in 2013.  

 

Why?.... Hopefully Rivera has learned his lessons (though he still made similar mistakes in 2012, that he made in 2011). More importantly: The presence of Gettlemen, will make Chico more aggressive on both offensive and defense, now that a real Football guy (with Superbowl winning reference points)is upstairs in the front office to properly evaluate him. 

[Harris Aballah]

Everybody should bring plenty of crow tailgating this year. Gotta feeling after reading this thread, "it's what's for dinner"!

[FootballMaestro]

Everybody should bring plenty of crow tailgating this year. Gotta feeling after reading this thread, "it's what's for dinner"!

 

Why?

 

No ones saying Rivrea, or the team can't improve in 2013. 

 

However, what we ARE saying is, he had a lot of self admitted issues in 2011, and 2012 that he needs to get fixed!!

[iamhubby1]

I agree with everything you said, and then some.

 

Rivera has been a woe some head coach in so many area's, indeed.

 

So no matter what some Huddler's think Rivera was actually 'good in', it didn't add up to an overall competent NFL caliber Head Coach. No sir-ee. No! Lol. 

 

Nonetheless, I'm going to give Rivera the benefit of the doubt in 2013.  

 

Why?.... Hopefully Rivera has learned his lessons (though he still made similar mistakes in 2012, that he made in 2011). More importantly: The presence of Gettlemen, will make Chico more aggressive on both offensive and defense, now that a real Football guy (with Superbowl winning reference points)is upstairs in the front office to properly evaluate him.

Why, for me anywho, is it you sound like a High School Substitute Teacher?

Your whole statement is supposition. Except for the part about having a real Football guy running the show.

Woeful is in the eye of the beholder, so it is an extremely difficult argument to dispute.

How about this. Rivera and Gettlemen are two peas in a pod. If you don't think they are in almost daily conversations, you may need to change views. These two guys are working Together to build us a team we can be proud of. There are some of us who happen to feel that way already.

IMO, Rivera has made steady improvement. And the product on the field has done that as well. Rivera Gots this. And I can live with that.

[hepcat]

Why?

 

No ones saying Rivrea, or the team can't improve in 2013. 

 

However, what we ARE saying is, he had a lot of self admitted issues in 2011, and 2012 that he needs to get fixed!!

 

Positive thing about Rivera is he seems like a guy who owns up to his mistakes and tries to learn from them.  Negative thing, he hasn't been able to translate his growth as a coach into success on the field.

 

The Panthers have to set the world on fire in 2013.  They have the talent to do it, and it all comes down to the coach.  Too much talent on the roster to have another 7-9 year.

[FootballMaestro]

Why, for me anywho, is it you sound like a High School Substitute Teacher?

Your whole statement is supposition. Except for the part about having a real Football guy running the show.

Woeful is in the eye of the beholder, so it is an extremely difficult argument to dispute.

How about this. Rivera and Gettlemen are two peas in a pod. If you don't think they are in almost daily conversations, you may need to change views. These two guys are working Together to build us a team we can be proud of. There are some of us who happen to feel that way already.

IMO, Rivera has made steady improvement. And the product on the field has done that as well. Rivera Gots this. And I can live with that.

 

What in the world are you trying so say (and infer)? SMH/LOL

 

I apologize, but your writing is quite cryptic. 

 

Plus, no one ever said Rivera and Gettlemen weren't working together. Where did you get that implication?? I've already stated in other post, that Gettlemen can/will help Rivera as his GM. Plus, common sense, says that they would. That's why I said 'Rivera could Learn from Gettlemen' many times. 

 

And I don't know what planet  you've been on recently, but Rivera was certainly "woeful" with time outs, clock management, 2nd half defensive adjustments, half time adjustments/when to kick a FG, executive management of his coaches, and his overall passiveness. 

 

Sorry. 

[iamhubby1]

What in the world are you trying so say (and infer)? SMH/LOL

 

I apologize, but you writing is quite cryptic. 

 

Plus, no one ever said Rivera and Gettlemen weren't working together. Where did you get that implication?? I've already stated in other post, that Gettlemen can/will help Rivera as his GM. Plus, common sense, says that they would. That's why I said 'Rivera could Learn from Gettlemen' many times. 

 

And I don't know what planet  you've been on recently, but Rivera was certainly "woeful" with time outs, clock management, 2nd half defensive adjustments, half time adjustments/when to kick a FG, executive management of his coaches, and his overall passiveness. 

 

Sorry.

You saying Rivera can learn from Gettlemen does not infer how much they communicate. I went a step further and said they communicate almost daily. I would hazard a guess that they watch film together talking football and what they want to do. These guys were made for each other. And we as fans will benefit from them uniting. The one thing JR has done right in a long time.

Rivera will take any snippet of knowledge he can from any person. He is a football junky, just like Gettlemen.

You were trying to say Rivera needs to learn from Gettlemen because he isn't getting it done by himself. I think you are wrong in your assessment. So I said something.

Ever post you make you sound like you have to teach somebody something. So, naturally, I have to say something.

I say I have seen the growth in Rivera. You? Not so much. But please, go ahead and teach me the errors of my ways.

Oh, and I do believe I live on the same planet we all do. Your point?

[FootballMaestro]

You saying Rivera can learn from Gettlemen does not infer how much they communicate. I went a step further and said they communicate almost daily. I would hazard a guess that they watch film together talking football and what they want to do. These guys were made for each other. And we as fans will benefit from them uniting. The one thing JR has done right in a long time.

Rivera will take any snippet of knowledge he can from any person. He is a football junky, just like Gettlemen.

You were trying to say Rivera needs to learn from Gettlemen because he isn't getting it done by himself. I think you are wrong in your assessment. So I said something.

Ever post you make you sound like you have to teach somebody something. So, naturally, I have to say something.

I say I have seen the growth in Rivera. You? Not so much. But please, go ahead and teach me the errors of my ways.

 

You're still not making sense, and I don't know what you're attempting to imply here. 

 

Secondly, I've already stated on this site, that 'I'm sure Gettleman has watched all the film, both with and with out Rivera'. So what are you really trying so say (Lord knows)?

 

Now you're saying Rivera and Gettlemen, are "made for each other". How do you know? Do you have some special insight that we don't (not including the fact, this is before the season even starts, SMH). Are they a couple, or something?? Who's jumped the shark now?

 

Lastly, I didn't say "Rivera needs to learn from Gettlemen". Not at all. That was your implication and inference. I said 'he can'. Secondly, I'm still trying to understand, what the hell you're trying to say again?

 

Any rationale football person, could look at the Panthers games last year, and see where/what Rivera needed help in. That's not a reach in the least bit. And I'm positive it will happen, if it hasn't happened already. I'm still not sure what you're even implying, stating that here. 

 

Remember, Hurney, didn't have the background, track record, reputation, gumption (and most likely respect), that Gettlemen brings to a room. Why don't you feel Gettlemen wouldn't point out certain things to Rivera (which is a separate, than saying how/why/when they spend their time together)?

 

What ever you feel or 'get about from me'. Please don't write, just to write, cause I somehow bring some sort of reaction from you. Please only write something when you're inspired, it makes sense, or is necessary. Cause I still didn't understand the purpose of your response.

 

Who doesn't think, or hope that Rivera could learn a thing or two from Gettlemen? If you were paying attention, you would notice, I'm not talking about coaching perse. I'm talking about all things that we've criticized Rivera in the past. It's his game management, and pointing out, what he did, and didn't do in particular situations.That's part of Gettlemen's job! You don't need to be an NFL Head Coach to do that, if that's what you're implying?

 

Sorry. 

[Darknight]

I meant "season".  Good catch--remarkably, he did not lose the team at all.  I really think he lost the season by focusing his attention on the defense because going into last year,  

Chud was highly regarded and the offense was clicking. 

Rivera, by his own admission, was going to have his hand on the operations on the defensive side of the ball, his area of expertise.

I do not think (and this is pure speculation, as is most of what is said on discussion boards) RR knew how to fix the unexpected offensive ills--the slow start last year.  I do not think Chud knew.

 

I think (and I am going out on a small limb here) that Rivera's game management was an issue because he did not  have more of a global perspective of the team.  I think that changed at the end of the season, but not until after everyone said his job was on the line. 

 

I also expect Rivera to be better in 2013.  Having the support and respect of the players is important. 

 

Here is the biggest supposition I am going to make:  Could the simplified verbage be, in part, something Rivera requested so that he could monitor the offense more effectively?  They would never say it and it is probably not the case, but we never know.

 

Oh ok. That makes sense. I'm glad that I asked before I trolled you lol