Why is Shula simplifying the offense?

[CRA]

Let's see... I give you a direct quote from the article. And you still disregard it?

You win. I give up. You are never wrong. I admit it. You are the greatest of all huddlers. Well, you and Football Maestro.

Why don't you just go read all the information avalaible....

You are focusing on one sentence. Ignoring all the information about the many ways NE simplified things.

Again, the other thread adrdressed his 7-8 long calls changing to only 3 words....that is a completely seperate example than the one word packages they had in each game.

[iamhubby1]

Why don't you just go read all the information avalaible....

You are focusing on one sentence. Ignoring all the information about the many ways NE simplified things.

Again, the other thread adrdressed his 7-8 long calls changing to only 3 words....that is a completely seperate example than the one word packages they had in each game.

I made a statement. You called me out.

I give you a direct quote. And you dismiss it.

I am not playing this game with you. Just admit that what I said was true. Nah, ain't gonna happen. You HAVE to be right. You must be an only child.

[rayzor]

Wouldn't using one word also drastically reduce the number of plays available?

no. why would it?

 

same number of plays, except in using 5-7 words/numbers to call the play they use just one. each player knows their responsibilities for each play, regardless of how long the call is. traditional play calling would have assignments for different players given in the play call itself, but it's all the same "play" in the playbook. instead of the player memorizing the “slant left 787 check swing, check right” or "896 H-Shallow F-Curl" pages from the playbook they just learn one word...like "orange". maybe "orange left", but for the most part every player would have to memorize the same number of plays, or at least their responsibilities for each one.

[Guest HelloWorld]

NFL coaches sometimes try overcompensating to prove they're smart by including a bunch of useless crap in the verbiage. They forgot that they're in the business of people using their body as weapon. Nothing smart can come outta that. Lol

 

KISS-Keep It Simple Stupid.

[rayzor]

“A lot of times it was situational,” Belichick said. “Like we were in the hurry-up and you have to get the ball out of bounds, whatever it is. But sometimes we’ve had that where one play means this is where we line up, this is the play we run, this is the snap count it’s on, and we’re going to either try to catch the defense off balance or we don’t have time to have a big conversation about this. It’s line up, snap the ball, and we’re running a sideline route to get the ball out of bounds or something like that.”

But that was the extent of the Patriots’ quick verbiage with shortened play calls.

But hey, thanks for playing.

that was before they started expanding it to a whole lot more. if you read the article, it's pretty obvious that was the implication. he was using it situationally, then they brought in kelly who talked to them about how he runs his whole offense that way.

 

from later in the article...

The Patriots’ one-word no-huddle really took hold down the stretch of the ’11 season, and rolled into the playoffs. With a postseason bye week, it hummed to perfection in the 45-10 AFC divisional playoff victory against the Broncos, when Brady tied a league playoff record with six touchdown passes.

 

The Patriots were most lethal in the 33 no-huddle snaps, rushing for 7.3 yards per attempt with 21 first downs and four touchdowns from Brady, who completed 85 percent of his passes with an amazing 11.8 yards per attempt.

 

In the other 31 snaps, the Patriots had averaged 3 yards on the ground, had seven first downs, two touchdowns, and Brady completed 64.3 percent of his passes at 9.1 yards per attempt.

 

in the 2011 playoffs they ran the no huddle 33 times against the broncos.

 

here's what they did last year for most the season...

So the best place to start, it would seem, is with a rundown of all the no-huddle plays the Pats have run this season:

Week 1 vs. Tennessee: 67 total plays, 17 no huddle (25 percent)

Week 2 vs. Arizona: 78 total plays, 19 no huddle (24 percent)

Week 3 vs. Baltimore: 77 total plays, 37 no huddle (48 percent)

Week 4 vs. Buffalo: 77 total plays, 14 no huddle (18 percent)

Week 5 vs. Denver: 89 total plays, 41 no huddle (46 percent)

Week 6 vs. Seattle: 85 total plays, 23 no huddle (27 percent)

Week 7 vs. Jets: 74 total plays, 28 no huddle (38 percent)

Week 8 vs. St. Louis: 66 total plays, 0 no huddle (0 percent)

Week 10 vs. Buffalo: 68 total plays, 24 no huddle (35 percent)

Week 11 vs. Indianapolis: 60 total plays, 8 no huddle (13 percent)

Week 12 vs. Jets:  66 total plays, 16 no huddle (24 percent)

Week 13 vs. Miami: 76 total plays, 9 no huddle (11 percent)

Week 14 vs. Houston: 70 total plays, 6 no huddle (9 percent)

Week 15 vs. San Francisco: 92 total plays, 38 no huddle (41 percent)

Week 16 vs. Jacksonville: 71 total plays, 11 no huddle (15 percent)

Week 17 vs. Miami: 75 total plays, 0 no huddle (zero percent)

Playoffs vs. Houston: 65 total plays, 10 no huddle (15 percent)

1,265 plays, 301 no huddle

http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2013/01/new_england_patriots_no-huddle_1.html

now while this is hardly all game, it's running the no huddle more than anyone...and in doing so are getting more plays off than anyone per game and setting records for the number of first downs and they're doing it using one (and sometimes two for variations) word play calls.

[CRA]

I made a statement. You called me out.

I give you a direct quote. And you dismiss it.

I am not playing this game with you. Just admit that what I said was true. Nah, ain't gonna happen. You HAVE to be right. You must be an only child.

Again, your direct quote is a sentence....and then you dismiss all the other quotes and information further explaining everything NE did to simplify and speed up there offense....

Only acknowledging your quote and dismissing all the other information misrepresents what NE did....which is what you where corrected on.

[jarhead]

Again, your direct quote is a sentence....and then you dismiss all the other quotes and information further explaining everything NE did to simplify and speed up there offense....

Only acknowledging your quote and dismissing all the other information misrepresents what NE did....which is what you where corrected on.

  You sound like my wife...I am out of here

[CRA]

You sound like my wife...I am out of here

Okay.

If your wife took issue with you using a single quote and then trying to paint NE's simplification of playcalls as just something used to stop the clock despite plenty of provided information showing otherwise ....I'd agree with your wife

[MadHatter]

Again, your direct quote is a sentence....and then you dismiss all the other quotes and information further explaining everything NE did to simplify and speed up there offense....

Only acknowledging your quote and dismissing all the other information misrepresents what NE did....which is what you where corrected on.

 

Damn Dude....you just LOVE to argue....with ANYONE and about ANYTHING.

[MHS831]

offensively,we didn't start slow in 2011.

 

OL play was worse in 2012 IMO....that was the main reason.  Chud has always been overrated and not great.

The OL was terrible last year, but was better at the end of the season.  I think Silatolu had a lot to do with it, as well as changing the offensive approach.

[scratchy1]

IIRC, one of the principal criticisms (among many) of Shula as a head coach and coordinator is that he is indecisive and takes too much time to make calls, particularly in critical situations. 

 

I don't see this being a quick offense, and if for some reason it is quick, I don't see it being particularly effective.  Actually, given Shula's track record in actually executing an offense, I don't see it being particularly effective in any event.

[Zod]

PF55 said that Shula was key in simplifying the offense last year.

 

Anyone have any articles from last season saying as such?

[MadHatter]

IIRC, one of the principal criticisms (among many) of Shula as a head coach and coordinator is that he is indecisive and takes too much time to make calls, particularly in critical situations. 

 

I don't see this being a quick offense, and if for some reason it is quick, I don't see it being particularly effective.  Actually, given Shula's track record in actually executing an offense, I don't see it being particularly effective in any event.

Again....all of your comments are based on what he did over a decade ago.

 

Let's wait and see how this plays out.

[panthers55]

PF55 said that Shula was key in simplifying the offense last year.

 

Anyone have any articles from last season saying as such?

Still on that old saw I see.  Rivera said in at least 2 interviews that Shula was critical in working with Newton to play faster by working on his reads and decision making. As part of that they simplified the offense.  Was he the whole architect? Rivera said everyone had input and contributed.  What else do we need said?  A reporter to agree with that?  Someone from ESPN to say that as well?  If you don't believe Rivera then who?