Draftinsider.net Panther's draft review

[iamhubby1]

No, I simply took two seconds and randomly named a laundry list of players that weren't drafted in the first round.

 

..."If you miss in the first you lose a roster spot you could have filled....what kind of an arguement is that?"...

 

Finding legit WRs isn't easy, which again....is why you can't just spend a first rounder once every decade and think that is the formula to find talent.   First rounders bust all the time....

I honestly don't know what your are implying with "If you miss in the first you lose a roster spot you could have filled...what kind of an argument is that?"... Um, where did that come from?

If you miss in the 1st, your aren't trying to improve. You are reaching.

You are stuck on this, 1st rounders bust all the time. Um, no, not really. If you get a talented kid in the 1st, chances are really good, the kid is going to be really good.

Please stop trying to make 1st rounders out to be something they are not.

Do you ever stop to think about draft position when you say you have to keep trying to draft WR? In a good year there are precious few quality WR. Getting lucky and having one there when you pick is just that. Luck.

Draft picks are a precious commodity. Smart teams do not just throw them around willy nilly. You take the BPA and hope he helps you. Drafting a WR out of order messes up your draft, and can hurt your teams development.

There are two ways to get a quality #1WR. 1st round draft pick. Or FA pickup. Drafting a WR in any round but the 1st is hopeful picking, not smart picking. Our roster did not allow for us to throw a pick away hoping some late round WR MAY be able to help us.

I get that you feel we are mishandling our WR position. But you have never once given an actual idea on how to go about fixing the problem. And no, throwing late round draft picks at the position is not fixing it.

A complaint without a solution is just a bitch. So far all you have done is bitch. Offer a solution.

[rayzor]

you can find starting caliber WRs in any round of any draft, esp. in the first 2-3...but you have to draft them first, and you have to accept that they, just like any player you take in any round, come at a risk that they might just not work out the way you'd hope.

 

the mistake is not missing when you swing. it's in not swinging.

[CRA]

I honestly don't know what your are implying with "If you miss in the first you lose a roster spot you could have filled...what kind of an argument is that?"... Um, where did that come from?

If you miss in the 1st, your aren't trying to improve. You are reaching.

You are stuck on this, 1st rounders bust all the time. Um, no, not really. If you get a talented kid in the 1st, chances are really good, the kid is going to be really good.

Please stop trying to make 1st rounders out to be something they are not.

Do you ever stop to think about draft position when you say you have to keep trying to draft WR? In a good year there are precious few quality WR. Getting lucky and having one there when you pick is just that. Luck.

Draft picks are a precious commodity. Smart teams do not just throw them around willy nilly. You take the BPA and hope he helps you. Drafting a WR out of order messes up your draft, and can hurt your teams development.

There are two ways to get a quality #1WR. 1st round draft pick. Or FA pickup. Drafting a WR in any round but the 1st is hopeful picking, not smart picking. Our roster did not allow for us to throw a pick away hoping some late round WR MAY be able to help us.

I get that you feel we are mishandling our WR position. But you have never once given an actual idea on how to go about fixing the problem. And no, throwing late round draft picks at the position is not fixing it.

A complaint without a solution is just a bitch. So far all you have done is bitch. Offer a solution.

 

That was one of YOUR reasons why we shouldn't of drafted a WR after the 1st round....b/c if we missed it represents a spot we could of filled.  I questioned YOUR logic in that statement....and then applied it to the first round.  Read what you wrote, the post I reposnded to.

 

Check the bust rate on WRs in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounds.....tell me the difference?

 

Again, you repeatedly state you can only find  quality WR in round 1...or bring in a FA if you take getting legit WR seriously.   NFL history and recent history proves that wrong.

 

I have never once endorsed late round picks as a solution.  We need to steadily add talent in rounds 1-3.  As a franchise we haven't.  I told you my solution....don't double down on DTs when you have 1000 holes.

[DaveThePanther2008]

What guarantee can you give on a first rounder....

and my response was intended for those who laugh at taking a WR after the first round claiming none of them could be anything more than a decent #2.

Gotta start building around Cam. If poo hits the fan and we draft a line WR next year....that will be a weak investment at the position. Gotta steadily add players.

NO DOUBT.. Agree 100%

 

My bad I thought you were implying that going after a later round player was better than taking an OG in round 4.

 

When you have 5 picks.  How do you get better players.  Give guys that were on other teams a chance to excel.  We have had success bring in other players from other teams who have done well. (Yeah Yeah Yeah we have had our busts too and mediocre players too)  Sadly not in the WR department but other positions.  I like the addition of Ginn and Hixon.  I really believe one or both step up and really contribute.

[iamhubby1]

you can find starting caliber WRs in any round of any draft, esp. in the first 2-3...but you have to draft them first, and you have to accept that they, just like any player you take in any round, come at a risk that they might just not work out the way you'd hope.

 

the mistake is not missing when you swing. it's in not swinging.

This I can live with. On a normal basis teams use the first 3 rounds on players they hope can start. But, that is not what we are talking here.

We are talking #1WR. Getting one other than by a 1st round pick, or FA, is not going to work very often. Yes it does happen. Just very seldom.

There are what 3 positions that warrant a 1st round pick. QB, WR, and DT. Sure you can get lucky outside the 1st round. But if you want a quality starter? You take one in the 1st round.

If your roster is well rounded. Then maybe you can afford to throw a later round pick at WR. Give the kid time to develop, and see what you have. We, unfortunately, have not been in that situation is a long while.

We can not afford to waste any draft picks. Which means, WR is what it is. We have capable starters there. We are in need, but we are not in dire need.

[iamhubby1]

That was one of YOUR reasons why we shouldn't of drafted a WR after the 1st round....b/c if we missed it represents a spot we could of filled.  I questioned YOUR logic in that statement....and then applied it to the first round.  Read what you wrote, the post I reposnded to.

 

Check the bust rate on WRs in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounds.....tell me the difference?

 

Again, you repeatedly state you can only find  quality WR in round 1...or bring in a FA if you take getting legit WR seriously.   NFL history and recent history proves that wrong.

 

I have never once endorsed late round picks as a solution.  We need to steadily add talent in rounds 1-3.  As a franchise we haven't.  I told you my solution....don't double down on DTs when you have 1000 holes.

AFTER the 1st round, WR is an iffy proposition. If your aim is a true #1WR, drafting one AFTER the first is a mistake and you may waste your draft picks. C'mon man quit spinning. You are trying too hard.

Sure you can grab a #1WR after the 1st. All you have to do is get extremely lucky.

I love how you claim that the 1st round WR bust rate is equal to the 2-3 rounds. That is reaching big time to make a point. If you think a 2-3 round WR is going to be a stud, your are either lying, or fooling yourself. There are plenty of 2-3 round, and later, WRs in the NFL. Just precious few are a true #1.

Of course you need to add talent in the early rounds. But we are not talking about adding talent. We are talking about #1WRs.

Now that this team has quit trading away draft picks. Maybe we can get back to drafting more talent. That is all well and good. Talent is something I will not argue against.

I just love arguing against wasting late round picks on a potential #1WR.

[CRA]

AFTER the 1st round, WR is an iffy proposition. If your aim is a true #1WR, drafting one AFTER the first is a mistake and you may waste your draft picks. C'mon man quit spinning. You are trying too hard.

Sure you can grab a #1WR after the 1st. All you have to do is get extremely lucky.

I love how you claim that the 1st round WR bust rate is equal to the 2-3 rounds. That is reaching big time to make a point. If you think a 2-3 round WR is going to be a stud, your are either lying, or fooling yourself. There are plenty of 2-3 round, and later, WRs in the NFL. Just precious few are a true #1.

Of course you need to add talent in the early rounds. But we are not talking about adding talent. We are talking about #1WRs.

Now that this team has quit trading away draft picks. Maybe we can get back to drafting more talent. That is all well and good. Talent is something I will not argue against.

I just love arguing against wasting late round picks on a potential #1WR.

WR is an iffy position the first 3 rounds....includes the first.

 

I asked you to tell me the difference in bust rates per round.  

 

I told you I would go through each year, one a day.  Today was 2001.  Rounds 2-3 > 1st round.  Bust rate about the same....better WRs in rounds 2-3 collectively.  So the class reviewed today....pretty much poos on your stance.  We will see what 2002 brings tommorrow.

 

Only you are talking about late round WRs.  The real talent in drafts in usually in the first 3 rounds....which is all have have talked about this offseason.

[iamhubby1]

WR is an iffy position the first 3 rounds....includes the first.

 

I asked you to tell me the difference in bust rates per round.  

 

I told you I would go through each year, one a day.  Today was 2001.  Rounds 2-3 > 1st round.  Bust rate about the same....better WRs in rounds 2-3 collectively.  So the class reviewed today....pretty much poos on your stance.  We will see what 2002 brings tommorrow.

 

Only you are talking about late round WRs.  The real talent in drafts in usually in the first 3 rounds....which is all have have talked about this offseason.

Sorry, If I take a WR in the 1st round, I would EXPECT him to be my starter. If I take a WR in the 2-3 round I can HOPE he can be a starter. Different talent levels.

Look at it this way. In todays NFL there are not enough #1WR to go around as it is. But there are plenty of #2 and #3 type WR. If you want an elite WR, you have to go get one. He is not going to fall into your lap.

[CRA]

Sorry, If I take a WR in the 1st round, I would EXPECT him to be my starter. If I take a WR in the 2-3 round I can HOPE he can be a starter. Different talent levels.

Look at it this way. In todays NFL there are not enough #1WR to go around as it is. But there are plenty of #2 and #3 type WR. If you want an elite WR, you have to go get one. He is not going to fall into your lap.

Talent in the bottom of the first round is often comparable to 2nd round talent. 2nd round talent and 3rd is often comparable. Big gap is normally a couple players in the top 5 or so some years. But you can find legit studs in the top 3 rounds....not just round 1

Like I said, I will do a draft per day.

2001...was today.....2nd and 3rd rounds provided teams with better weapons than the first collectively. So again, at least for today....that draft poos all over your argument.