Draftinsider.net Panther's draft review

[micnificent28]

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Tell that to Julio Jones, AJ Green, Larry Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson, Marvin Harrison, Randy Moss, Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Hakeem Nicks, etc. The fact is if a WR goes in the fourth round then the odds of him being a future #1 are not substantial.

[micnificent28]

[ quote name="Promethean Forerunner" post="2244305" timestamp="1369788674"]

Tell that to Julio Jones, AJ Green, Larry Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson, Marvin Harrison, Randy Moss, Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Hakeem Nicks, etc. The fact is if a WR goes in the fourth round then the odds of him being a future #1 are not substantial.

[CRA]

Tell that to Julio Jones, AJ Green, Larry Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson, Marvin Harrison, Randy Moss, Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Hakeem Nicks, etc. The fact is if a WR goes in the fourth round then the odds of him being a future #1 are not substantial.

Again, your argument remains Steve Smith, Chad Johnson, Brandon Marshall, Anquan Boldin, Vincent Jackson, Wes Welker, Greg Jennings, Mike Wallace, etc.....weren't hyped enough like Ted Ginn Jr or Troy Williamson to be first round worthy therefore are "too risky".

Draft is a gamble. You got to add talent. WRs don't just come in round 1....lot of round 1 guys don't pan out.

[DaveThePanther2008]

Again, your argument remains Steve Smith, Chad Johnson, Brandon Marshall, Anquan Boldin, Vincent Jackson, Wes Welker, Greg Jennings, Mike Wallace, etc.....weren't hyped enough like Ted Ginn Jr or Troy Williamson to be first round worthy therefore are "too risky".

Draft is a gamble. You got to add talent. WRs don't just come in round 1....lot of round 1 guys don't pan out.

 

What guarantee can you give that a 4th, 5th or 6th rounder is going to be better than any free agent or UDFA that we signed?  You Can't. 

 

You can't say Bersin, given the perfrect opportunity, couldn't be the one who sticks.  He could be a Proehl favorite (because he reminds him of himself)  WR with good route running skills and good hands.  Not great speed but reliable.

 

While it would have been nice to apease the fan base by drafting a WR.  I believe there must have been some unfixable flaw on these WRs that Gettleman passed on them for the player we eventually chose.  

 

IMO probably have a more difficult time sticking than an offensive lineman.

 

I am content and happy with our group of WR.  I think you are going to see a couple step up this year.

 

 

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[iamhubby1]

Just because the occasional late round WR makes a splash. The Huddlez thinks we should take that chance.

Yeah, we should have wasted 1 of only 5 picks on an almost impossible long shot. Huddlez logic at its finest. (sarcasm)

[CRA]

What guarantee can you give that a 4th, 5th or 6th rounder is going to be better than any free agent or UDFA that we signed? You Can't.

You can't say Bersin, given the perfrect opportunity, couldn't be the one who sticks. He could be a Proehl favorite (because he reminds him of himself) WR with good route running skills and good hands. Not great speed but reliable.

While it would have been nice to apease the fan base by drafting a WR. I believe there must have been some unfixable flaw on these WRs that Gettleman passed on them for the player we eventually chose.

IMO probably have a more difficult time sticking than an offensive lineman.

I am content and happy with our group of WR. I think you are going to see a couple step up this year.

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What guarantee can you give on a first rounder....

and my response was intended for those who laugh at taking a WR after the first round claiming none of them could be anything more than a decent #2.

Gotta start building around Cam. If poo hits the fan and we draft a line WR next year....that will be a weak investment at the position. Gotta steadily add players.

[TheRed]

[iamhubby1]

If you take a talented player in the 1st. Chances are pretty good he is going to wind up being pretty good. There are far more success stories in the 1st round than busts. C'mon man.

Taking a WR outside the first is a gamble. Hellz, it is gamble enough in the first. WR is a tough eval. Sure you can hit one every so often in the later rounds. But odds are pretty good you will miss. That is the nature of the WR position.

If you want a true #1 WR. You almost have to draft him in the first. Or pick him up in FA. You cannot cheat and get him in the later rounds. You will lose that bet almost every time. You may get a decent #2 in the 3rd, but you probably are not getting a true #1 in the 3rd.

JAG WR grow on trees. A true #1 is a rare find.

[CRA]

If you take a talented player in the 1st. Chances are pretty good he is going to wind up being pretty good. There are far more success stories in the 1st round than busts. C'mon man.

Taking a WR outside the first is a gamble. Hellz, it is gamble enough in the first. WR is a tough eval. Sure you can hit one every so often in the later rounds. But odds are pretty good you will miss. That is the nature of the WR position.

If you want a true #1 WR. You almost have to draft him in the first. Or pick him up in FA. You cannot cheat and get him in the later rounds. You will lose that bet almost every time. You may get a decent #2 in the 3rd, but you probably are not getting a true #1 in the 3rd.

JAG WR grow on trees. A true #1 is a rare find.

It is rare to find....which is why you can't just spend a first rounder once every decade on it an expect that to work. Gotta add talent.

Off be top of my head I just gae you a laundry list of stud WRs not drafted in the 1st...so you don't almost have to draft one in the first.

[iamhubby1]

It is rare to find....which is why you can just spend a first rounder once every decade on it an expect that to work. Gotta add talent.

Off be top of my head I just gae you a laundry list of stud WRs not drafted in the 1st...so you don't almost have to draft one in the first.

So in the last 12 years, there were 8 non 1st round WRs, one of which is not in the league, that became stud WRs.

So... you won't mind if I don't hold my breath waiting on another one?

In one breath you say they are tough to find. Yet turn around in the next breath and say you don't have to draft them in the 1st. Let's look at this shall we.

Off the top of MY head. There are not enough true #1WR to go around. They are harder to find than a virgin at graduation. And yes, you need to find one if you want to be good. But, if your roster has as many holes as ours did. You cannot afford to waste a pick hoping the WR will pan out. That ain't smart ball.

It all comes down to team needs. You can fill a roster out throughout the draft except for two positions. WR and QB. Those two positions are extremely difficult to fill. Folks throw picks at this position all over the board in hopes that you can get lucky. Because that is what it takes to grab a #1WR outside the 1st. Luck.

If you think you can grab a true #1WR outside the 1st round, good luck to you. That is more miss than hit. If you miss, you lose out on a roster spot you could have filled. And the odds say, you are going to miss.

If true #1WR were that easy to nab. Everyone would have all they need.

[Gin and Juice]

Come on dude... there were so many potential number one guys in this draft. Even Buffalo got a potential number one guy as an undrafted free agent. lets not lie to ourselves here. We missed the boat on wrs.

 

 

Where? Name them and let's keep tab! All your number 1's that were taken after pick 44! I will give you Rodgers! He was the only one I wanted, but he is so damn high risk!

[CRA]

So in the last 12 years, there were 8 non 1st round WRs, one of which is not in the league, that became stud WRs.

So... you won't mind if I don't hold my breath waiting on another one?

In one breath you say they are tough to find. Yet turn around in the next breath and say you don't have to draft them in the 1st. Let's look at this shall we.

Off the top of MY head. There are not enough true #1WR to go around. They are harder to find than a virgin at graduation. And yes, you need to find one if you want to be good. But, if your roster has as many holes as ours did. You cannot afford to waste a pick hoping the WR will pan out. That ain't smart ball.

It all comes down to team needs. You can fill a roster out throughout the draft except for two positions. WR and QB. Those two positions are extremely difficult to fill. Folks throw picks at this position all over the board in hopes that you can get lucky. Because that is what it takes to grab a #1WR outside the 1st. Luck.

If you think you can grab a true #1WR outside the 1st round, good luck to you. That is more miss than hit. If you miss, you lose out on a roster spot you could have filled. And the odds say, you are going to miss.

If true #1WR were that easy to nab. Everyone would have all they need.

 

No, I simply took two seconds and randomly named a laundry list of players that weren't drafted in the first round.

 

If you miss in the first you lose a roster spot you could have filled....what kind of an arguement is that?

 

Finding legit WRs isn't easy, which again....is why you can't just spend a first rounder once every decade and think that is the formula to find talent.   First rounders bust all the time....

[iamhubby1]

Where? Name them and let's keep tab! All your number 1's that were taken after pick 44! I will give you Rodgers! He was the only one I wanted, but he is so damn high risk!

Ah, the draft. It gives teams an opportunity to retool their roster. And it gives fans the opportunity to dream. Unfortunately, what teams see, and what fans see are usually at odds with each other.

WR and DT. Fans fantasize over these two positions. They are penultimate wishful thinking positions. Fans see a kid in college that looks good. So naturally they want that kid on their team. Nothing wrong with that.

With all the information and video out there, it is easier than ever for fans to form opinions on any given player. That is all well and good. Until they find out that the FO is not going to consult them when it comes time to pick.

Most fans want what is best for the team. Some let the professionals handle the day to day things, and just try and enjoy the end product. Some fans feel their opinion needs to be heard. Some praise the FO, others, not so much. But, it is never a consensus.

It takes all kinds. Which is probably why a place like this is so popular.

[CRA]

Rounds 1-3. We will start with Smith's class and move forward.

 

2001

1.  David Terrell

1. Koren Robinson

1. Rob Gardner

1. Santana Moss

1.  Freddie Mitchell

1. Reggie Wayne

 

2. Quincy Morgan

2. Chad Johnson

2.  Robert Freguson

2. Chris Chambers

3. Steve Smith

3.  Marvin Minnus

 

I can post a class each day going forward.  Where teams foolish then to draft WRs in round 2-3?  Was the bust rate any different in rounds 2-3 vs. 1?

 

I'll take the 6 in rounds 2-3 over the 6 in round 1.