Rosenthal's write-up on Cam Newton

[FootballMaestro]

I use to watch some colts games to see what the hoopla was all about, that dude would hit the defenders between the numbers at least 3 times in the game. And so often he would short hop his throws or grossly overthrow. At times I would watch him just for a laugh. The media put so much expectation on the poor dude but he is lost out there. So much of his numbers is accumulated against last minute prevent defenses. No joke.

 

This part is so true (along with most of what you said). 

 

Nonetheless, his defense gave him opportunities (even after Late game Luck Blunders), to where he could compile seemingly useless yards during garbage time one minute, then his defense would incredibly pick up turnovers near the oppositions goal line and would score, or give (even Luck) an easy TD strike. It was the weirdest thing. 

 

These are some of the areas where the Panthers defense failed Cam incredibly. They rarely made any big plays or capitalized on turnovers late in games during Cam's rookie or sophomore season.  

[Guest HelloWorld]

Pretty fair assessment. From what I know of him, Rosenthal's a decent writer.

My primary complaint with Newton has been a lack of consistency. Rosenthal sees that too.

Said long ago that Newton would be a Brett Favre like 'feast or famine' quarterback. Here's hoping for more feast than famine.

 

Fair assessment but at the same time Cam doesn't have to be the consistent pin-point accurate passer that Brees is since he brings so much more to the table. If Cam has the same talent around him like those supposed 'elite' QBs, Cam can be quite un-defendable. Where a QB like Brees would need to fit the ball in a tight space, Cam can buy his receivers some time to widen that space. Result in accomplishing the same thing.

 

[Guest HelloWorld]

This part is so true (along with most of what you said). 

 

Nonetheless, his defense gave him opportunities (even after Late game Luck Blunders), to where he could compile seemingly useless yards during garbage time one minute, then his defense would incredibly pick up turnovers near the oppositions goal line and would score, or give (even Luck) an easy TD strike. It was the weirdest thing. 

 

These are some of the areas where the Panthers defense failed Cam incredibly. They rarely made any big plays or capitalized on turnovers late in games during Cam's rookie or sophomore season.  

 

At least somebody else was watching the same games I was watching.

[FootballMaestro]

At least somebody else was watching the same games I was watching.

 

Lol

 

It makes you wonder about those reporters who are paid to talk about the sport, who seemingly know very little about various players, though they're always the first and loudest to talk. 

 

It's funny you mentioned 'garbage time' with Luck. Cause as you know, Cam has rarely compiled cheap yards during his NFL career, and was in practically every game. And this is something you would never know, even speeding through game film, if you didn't follow the Panthers, consult with their fans/broadcast team or watch every game. 

 

On the contrary, Luck (as you mentioned) did compile 'cheap yards', until his defense miraculously saved him, created opportunities late in games. This would happen to Luck, while Rivera, would literally take the ball out of Cam's and the offenses hands anytime they seemingly had a 14 pt lead in a game, or had a chance to score at the end of the half with less than a minute left. In other words: Rivera coached scared and un-offensively, and seemed disinterested during Cam's sophomore season (probably the pressure and expectations) in scoring points.  A real shame. 

[CatMan72]

Can should be #1 hands down.

[nickzz]

I like the assessment, not the rating. Cam and Wilson are 1 & 2. Kaepernick should NOT be in the top 6, let alone the top 3. Stafford & RGIII work for 3rd and 4th.

 

Luck is so incredibly overrated, it's just stupid. His QB rating was worse than Blaine Gabbert's last year. Does nobody realize that? Gabbert is arguably the worst QB that started a game in the past 2-3 years, and Luck's QB rating was lower than his.

 

Luck has potential and he's a leader, but that can only get him so far. Remember, the Sanchize took his terrible Jets team to the AFC Championship Game his first two years...

 

too many people here seem to think this. did you even watch him play? or are you just comparing his rookie stats to cam's?

 

i saw several of his games and some of the throws he makes are flat out amazing. luck will be very good for a long time, bank on it. he definitely isn't overrated. remember, the colts went 2-14 the year before. he threw the ball 200+ more times than cam did his rookie year, and cam threw quite often. of course he's going to throw picks, so did cam, and so did peyton manning. that's what happens when rookies are asked to go out there and absolutely SLING the ball around.

[FootballMaestro]

Fair assessment but at the same time Cam doesn't have to be the consistent pin-point accurate passer that Brees is since he brings so much more to the table. If Cam has the same talent around him like those supposed 'elite' QBs, Cam can be quite un-defendable. Where a QB like Brees would need to fit the ball in a tight space, Cam can buy his receivers some time to widen that space. Result in accomplishing the same thing.

 

 

I was thinking the same, but didn't want to respond too much in the thread. Lol. To be honest, that type of talk (Cam's accuracy) is overstated here. 

 

Just look at Flacco this year, along with Eli Manning, Brett Farve, etc..? Those guys are not pin point passers to say the least (more in the Cam mode at the moment), but were nonetheless big money QB's when it counted who won Superbowls to boot. 

 

And of course, if we're going to hold Cam to those/that standards, then we need to do the same with Andrew Luck, who looked absolutely lost at times during the 2012 season. Of course, Lucks 11 win season, provides him great cover for all that to be simply overlooked, despite his incredible good fortune through out the year, saving him from costly mistakes, and almost mistakes.

 

It may come back to haunt him in 2013, as the pendulum and fate swings back to the other side?

[Seal (SmittyIsOurSavior)]

too many people here seem to think this. did you even watch him play? or are you just comparing his rookie stats to cam's?

 

i saw several of his games and some of the throws he makes are flat out amazing. luck will be very good for a long time, bank on it. he definitely isn't overrated. remember, the colts went 2-14 the year before. he threw the ball 200+ more times than cam did his rookie year, and cam threw quite often. of course he's going to throw picks, so did cam, and so did peyton manning. that's what happens when rookies are asked to go out there and absolutely SLING the ball around.

 

I did watch his games. Overall, he wasn't that impressive. He has potential obviously, yeah. One thing I did notice was his leadership skills. He went in and broke up a fight on the field and talked to his teammates afterwards, and that really impressed me for a rookie.

 

But there's no denying that stats mean something. Statistically, the best QBs in the league are Rodgers, Brady, Manning, etc. It just so happens that they are considered the best overall too. You can't deny the facts. His QBR was what it was, as was his completion percentage and his interception rate, etc.

 

His season was very overrated. Plain and simple.

[nickzz]

Not true. As gifted as LBJ was, he had holes in his game. He settled for shots, was a weak post up player, passing and decision-making were mid-tier, so-so defense, and his shooting technique was raw. What he did during his rookie and sophomore campaigns was indeed based on his freaky athleticism.

 

lol.... of course he had holes in his game. he was a ROOKIE. i didn't say he was the player he is today, i said he was an INCREDIBLY skilled and freaky athlethic. of course he improved in pretty much every facet of the game, but to say he relied completely on his athleticism is incorrect.

[nickzz]

I did watch his games. Overall, he wasn't that impressive. He has potential obviously, yeah. One thing I did notice was his leadership skills. He went in and broke up a fight on the field and talked to his teammates afterwards, and that really impressed me for a rookie.

 

But there's no denying that stats mean something. Statistically, the best QBs in the league are Rodgers, Brady, Manning, etc. It just so happens that they are considered the best overall too. You can't deny the facts. His QBR was what it was, as was his completion percentage and his interception rate, etc.

 

His season was very overrated. Plain and simple.

 

of course they mean SOMETHING, but they don't tell the entire story as you seem to think. if you weren't impressed with his game from watching him (keeping in mind he was a rookie with a lot on his plate, much like cam's rookie campaign) then you weren't looking at the right things.

[FootballMaestro]

of course they mean SOMETHING, but they don't tell the entire story as you seem to think. if you weren't impressed with his game from watching him (keeping in mind he was a rookie with a lot on his plate, much like cam's rookie campaign) then you weren't looking at the right things.

 

I'll jump into this one. 

 

I actually like Luck. I think he's a real QB in the making, along with Cam,and Wilson (though he has a lot of help) out of the young guns. So I'm not going to call him 'Crap'. 

 

However, he's certainly not a polished product, and nor should he be at this stage, especially with the type of offense he plays in (no trick or gimmick offense, like a certain QB in the Nations Capitol who I'll leave nameless). So I'm not holding that against him. 

 

Nonetheless, Luck gets a lot of carping from non Indy Fans--who actually watched his games (especially Panther fans), regarding all the praise he gets. Some of it, which is undeserved, of course. Why? Because they feel, Luck was mistake prone, no better than Cam's rookie season, and incredibly fortunate (to say the least) in 2012, which he was. 

[Red Zone]

Thought the article was fairly written and I agreed with most of it.

 

I can honestly say that I prefer Cam over RG3, Luck, Kaepernick, and Wilson.

[joemac]

How many yards would Cam have had his rookie season if he threw as much as Luck?

[Seal (SmittyIsOurSavior)]

of course they mean SOMETHING, but they don't tell the entire story as you seem to think. if you weren't impressed with his game from watching him (keeping in mind he was a rookie with a lot on his plate, much like cam's rookie campaign) then you weren't looking at the right things.

 

Compare his play to Wilson and RGIII. The other two looked so much better.

 

I'd put Luck's play on par with Tannehill if you take away the major leadership ability. Tannehill looked really good at times too.