Rosenthal's write-up on Cam Newton

[LinvilleGorge]

NFL defensive coordinators are fantastic at adapting.  The Redskins and 49ers better adapt too, because that poo they ran last year won't work again now that teams have plenty of tape to study and a full off-season to do it.  Chud found that out real quick at the beginning of last season when instead of adapting to how defenses would react to shut down some of his gimmicks, he doubled down on the gimmicks and our offense struggled badly out of the gate as a result.  Well, actually he didn't find that out real quick because it took him half the season to adjust.

[SOJA]

pretty much the best assessment of what Newton is that I've ever read off NFL. com

 

can't argue with putting him below Luck, I'm assuming the other two are RGIII and Kaep?

 

I'm actually surprised above Wilson (goldenchild) but Cam's ceiling is higher than anyone but Luck

[iamhubby1]

Cam IMO has never had an issue with pocket poise. Footwork yes....but the kid IMO is almost too comfortable sitting in a pocket

I still don't see how he gets a C....unless Smitty or Gross simply literally say they want Cam to have theirs to the team

Early Cam took off at the first sign of trouble. Last half of last years Cam moved or rolled out of trouble to extend plays. Then took off. Seems like his poise grew as he grew into the position.

Once the game slowed down and he no longer had to think. That was when he took off. He just looked like a QB. That is the Cam that can lead us anywhere.

I didn't realize there were only so many C's to give out. So we would have to take one from Smitty or Gross for Cam to get one? Not sure I buy that.

Cam took over this team last year. He was the leader. It was Cam that gave the last speech of the year. I just don't see how a Captains C is out of the question.

[fieryprophet]

It's better than what I was expecting. Cam's never going to be universally praised, and we should be grateful, because that means he'll never have to look far for motivation.

[FootballMaestro]

Early Cam took off at the first sign of trouble. Last half of last years Cam moved or rolled out of trouble to extend plays. Then took off. Seems like his poise grew as he grew into the position.

Once the game slowed down and he no longer had to think. That was when he took off. He just looked like a QB. That is the Cam that can lead us anywhere.

I didn't realize there were only so many C's to give out. So we would have to take one from Smitty or Gross for Cam to get one? Not sure I buy that.

Cam took over this team last year. He was the leader. It was Cam that gave the last speech of the year. I just don't see how a Captains C is out of the question.

 

Cam had excellent poise in the pocket (especially for a rookie) during his rookie season. 

 

Obviously, the first half of the 2012, Cam, the offensive line, Chud, and the longer routes impacted Cam's poise. But it was still very good, when he had time (as the writer mentioned). That was corrected under center, in shot gun, with more traditional 2TE formations during the second half of the season. So I don't, never saw that as an issue. 

 

Of course, Cam made his mistakes, and can show improvement. But what QB with the type of responsibility and youth as Cam doesn't?

 

Hopefully, both he, the coach and team overall will improve. 

[Guest HelloWorld]

it's a semi-fair assessment, although it seems to be a little harsh on cam in some regards.

 

i'm having trouble figuring out who is in this guy's top 3... luck, rg3 and who?

my list would be as follows:

1. cam (unmatched and unprecedented physical traits, star power, confidence and puts up retarded numbers with still tons of room to grow)

2. luck (as much hate as some of you guys give him, he looked very impressive last year.)

3. wilson (straight up baller, just limited by his size)

4. stafford (2 5000 yard seasons before the age of 25)

5. rg3 (i don't think he will hold up in the nfl)

 

also, lebron was an incredibly skilled player coming out of highschool, he wasn't one of those guys that relies purely on athleticism.

 

This should be a list of straight up ballers. Not the looking impressive list. Luck is too erratic to be this high and it will be even more obvious this year. Yes, Luck can put up 4000 yards attempting 50 passes/game but he is not gonna give you 700 yards rushing. He is closer to stafford than Cam, RG3, & Wilson. Luck is a stat padder, not a baller. He'll be exposed sooner than later.

 

I just can't figure what special talent Luck has. QBs are suppose to know how to throw the football. King Kam!!!

[L-TownCat]

Sir Cameron Newton: Leader of Men, Lover of Puppies...Esquire is the greatest there is. If you don't agree you can kiss my shiny white ass. MY SHINY WHITE ASS!!!

[FootballMaestro]

This should be a list of straight up ballers. Not the looking impressive list. Luck is too erratic to be this high and it will be even more obvious this year. Yes, Luck can put up 4000 yards attempting 50 passes/game but he is not gonna give you 700 yards rushing. He is closer to stafford than Cam, RG3, & Wilson. Luck is a stat padder, not a baller. He'll be exposed sooner than later.

 

I just can't figure what special talent Luck has. QBs are suppose to know how to throw the football. King Kam!!!

 

I agree with most of what you said. 

 

However, since Luck won 11 games (regardless of the schedule and the bush load of Lucky Breaks he had, even with his late game turnovers), his mistakes will be easily glossed over. He can thank his defense for that (regardless of how they played up until that point). 

 

The Colts, could easily lose 11 games in 2013. And imagine what Luck's stats would be then?

 

Nonetheless, what happens to RG3, if Morris goes down for example? 

 

At least Luck did it mostly alone. Kaep, RG3 and Wilson's teams actually ran more running plays than passing ones. Nonetheless, you got so called writers conveniently glossing over the fact, those guys were all carefully managed--in exciting offenses, with excellent running games to lean on (Kaepernick) or running games that actually carried them (RG3 and Wilson--during the first 10 games of his/Seattle's year). It's a funny world we live in, isn't it? 

[Guest HelloWorld]

Accuracy has been my problem with him from day one. This is the season to see if he will ever be able to consistently make throws.

 

That would be a valid point if his receiving core and O-line was upgraded this year. If the O-line and receiving core show up Killa Kam will too.

[CRA]

Early Cam took off at the first sign of trouble. Last half of last years Cam moved or rolled out of trouble to extend plays. Then took off. Seems like his poise grew as he grew into the position.

Once the game slowed down and he no longer had to think. That was when he took off. He just looked like a QB. That is the Cam that can lead us anywhere.

I didn't realize there were only so many C's to give out. So we would have to take one from Smitty or Gross for Cam to get one? Not sure I buy that.

Cam took over this team last year. He was the leader. It was Cam that gave the last speech of the year. I just don't see how a Captains C is out of the question.

We see different things. He was universally praised for not having the typical run at pressure habit of most athletic QBs beginning at the start of his rookie season. If anything he stays too long in the pocket much more so than leaving too early.

Buy whatever you want...we both know I can't convince you if anything. 2 Cs on offense can be given out....Cam didnt get one this year bc Gross and Smith are long tenured vets who have played every down in Carolina. So if one of them doesn't step up and make it known they want Cam to have his C....why is that changing this year?

[FootballMaestro]

Accuracy has been my problem with him from day one. This is the season to see if he will ever be able to consistently make throws.

 

By that logic; then I guess, you certainly don't have Luck rated above Cam, or anywhere near the top regarding young QB's with this perspective?? Just saying!

 

Luck's completion rate certainly was nothing to write home about, and sometimes he seemingly couldn't hit a broad side of a barn during games, as well as getting easily confused by defenses for INT's.

 

I also saw (not sure if it's true) someone post recently, that Luck had an additional 18 'would be' interceptions dropped by defenders last year as well. Wow, if that's accurate!

 

He was Andrew 'Luck" indeed.  

[Guest HelloWorld]

I agree with most of what you said. 

 

However, since Luck won 11 games (regardless of the schedule and the bush load of Lucky Breaks he had, despite his late game turnovers), his mistakes will be easily glossed over. He can thank his defense for that (regardless of how they played up until that point). 

 

1. The Colts, could easily lose 11 games in 2013. And imagine what Luck's stats would be then?

 

Nonetheless, what happens to RG3, if Morris goes down for example? 

 

2. At least Luck did it mostly alone. Kaep, RG3 and Wilson's teams actually  ran more running plays than pass, and you got so called writers overlooking the fact that those guys were all carefully managed, in exciting offenses, with excellent running games. 

 

1. The media has it covered for him, they'll call it sophomore slump when he put up 25 INTs and the team goes 5-11. Hopefully they remember Cam's sophomore slump numbers.

 

2. The colts defense kept them in the game late. The flukiest season I've seen since The Golden Calf of Bristol with the broncos. They're in for a rude awakening.

[Mr. Scot]

Pretty fair assessment. From what I know of him, Rosenthal's a decent writer.

My primary complaint with Newton has been a lack of consistency. Rosenthal sees that too.

Said long ago that Newton would be a Brett Favre like 'feast or famine' quarterback. Here's hoping for more feast than famine.

[Guest HelloWorld]

By that logic; then I guess, you certainly don't have Luck rated above Cam, or anywhere near the top regarding young QB's with this perspective?? Just saying!

 

Luck's completion rate certainly was nothing to write home about, and sometimes he seemingly couldn't hit a broad side of a barn during games, as well as getting easily confused by defenses for INT's.

 

I also saw (not sure if it's true) someone post recently, that Luck had an additional 18 'would be' interceptions dropped by defenders last year as well. Wow, if that's accurate!

 

He was Andrew 'Luck" indeed.  

 

I use to watch some colts games to see what the hoopla was all about, that dude would hit the defenders between the numbers at least 3 times in the game. And so often he would short hop his throws or grossly overthrow. At times I would watch him just for a laugh. The media put so much expectation on the poor dude but he is lost out there. So much of his numbers is accumulated against last minute prevent defenses. No joke.