Rivera: Panthers' new offense will be more of a collaberative effort

[The Huddler]

Remember when we could not finish out games? Its cause chud sucks at calling a basic offense. I think The kid i played on madden last night could have looked genious with Cam Newton at the helm...

Yeah, anyone could look all creative and clevar with Cam imo.

[CRA]

Remember when we could not finish out games? Its cause chud sucks at calling a basic offense. I think The kid i played on madden last night could have looked genious with Cam Newton at the helm...

Yeah, anyone could look all creative and clevar with Cam imo.

Yep...Chud was greatly overrated. I got blasted for it....but he wasn't good.

Playing calling was questionable from the start of 2011 until he left. Too often Chud would was to score or move the hard way when the easy way....running Cam or a RB was the painfully obvious.

Cam could of asked any OC to let him have read option looks incorporated into his playbook. We have seen the same thing with Wash, Sea, SF. That isn't the mark of a great OC....a bad OC is being inches away from a TD and putting Cam and 3 RBs on the shelf.

[Ace_Aladdin]

Good info.  I remember the games we lost---Tampa Bay, Seattle, etc. when we could not get the offense going...

I agree that the defensive stats are fool's gold.  I never felt that we had a top 10 defense, but there are stats out there that suggest it. 

 

The game score tells you we where a top 10 defense .............we lost most of our games by couple of points 

[Snake]

Long story short. This year we will not try to fit a round peg into a square hole.

 

 

Rivera has a long history of getting the most out of players because he knows how to use them. I think he is hoping Shula can do the same on offense.

[Ace_Aladdin]

Winning can make anyone look like a genius......it comes down to player execution and game plans that plays to your team strength.......and we are going back to it with ground and pound..... The offense is going to live or die by the running game.......what people need to be more concerned about is the Offensive line 

[SCP]

My concern is if Shula and Rivera are the game day collaborators. What have either shown to instill confidence in their game day decision making. I mean who's gonna make the calls when the clock is winding down and we need a FG to win? You trust Chico? You trust Shula?

[TheRumGone]

My concern is if Shula and Rivera are the game day collaborators. What have either shown to instill our confidence in their game day decision making. I mean who's gonna make the calls when the clock is winding down and we need a FG to win? You trust Chico? You trust Shula?

 

No, but who else is there? I think from my understanding of the article, there will be a collaborative effort in between gamedays, i.e from the players, other coaches. But on gamedays it'll be Shula's call, with Cam being able to audible when he sees fit.

 

Or Cam could just pull a Willie Beaman and change the plays in the huddle.

[SCP]

No, but who else is there? I think from my understanding of the article, there will be a collaborative effort in between gamedays, i.e from the players, other coaches. But on gamedays it'll be Shula's call, with Cam being able to audible when he sees fit.

Or Cam could just pull a Willie Beaman and change the plays in the huddle.

That type of pregame collaboration is common place. I just don't want two guys saying "What do we do?" on Sunday. There should be one voice on Sunday, not a bunch of guys throwing there ideas in the ring. That very well may be how it goes. Clock management and getting plays in and out in a timely manner is vital. This could just be another opportunity for Ron to misuse our timeouts.

[TheRumGone]

That type of pregame collaboration is common place. I just don't want two guys saying "What do we do?" on Sunday. There should be one voice on Sunday, not a bunch of guys throwing there ideas in the ring. That very well may be how it goes. Clock management and getting plays in and out in a timely manner is vital. This could just be another opportunity for Ron to misuse our timeouts.

 

I dunno dude that collaboration was evidently not there with Chud. But I think Rivera makes the call on clock management and the coordinators make the game-time decisions. I don't see Rivera telling Shula what to call unless it is becoming a problem. But who knows.

[CRA]

Winning can make anyone look like a genius......it comes down to player execution and game plans that plays to your team strength.......and we are going back to it with ground and pound..... The offense is going to live or die by the running game.......what people need to be more concerned about is the Offensive line

Ground and pound is over here. Can we run better and utilize RBs more? Sure....

But this isn't a ground and pound team with Newton as the QB

[SCP]

I dunno dude that collaboration was evidently not there with Chud. But I think Rivera makes the call on clock management and the coordinators make the game-time decisions. I don't see Rivera telling Shula what to call unless it is becoming a problem. But who knows.

Yea, I don't either. I think Ron is smarter than to dabble too much on game day. It was just an odd statement for him to come out and make.

[TheRumGone]

Yea, I don't either. I think Ron is smarter than to dabble too much on game day. It was just an odd statement for him to come out and make.

 

I think he was talking more about pre-game rather than actual game day. Cause he did say Shula will make the final decisions on gameday.

[panthers55]

Fair points especially the third down %, but anyone who knows me knows I frown on lumped stats like Total yards, total points.  I like things broken down to what our defense was doing when they were actually on the field like drive stats and % per x.  So with that in mind this was our defensive rankings last season:

 

Yard per drive: 20th

points per drive:  21st

forced punts per drive:  24th

forced turnovers per drive:  17th

Three and outs:  23rd

 

But, we were actually 7th in third down percentage (according to www.teamrankings.com) and we were 13th in TDs surrendered per drive.

 

We are near the bottom third in the league in yards per drive, points per drive, punts forced, and 3 and outs and right in the middle for turnovers per drive

 

By any measure that is not a very good defense and certainly not a top 10-15 defense.

 

I think our perception is skewed because of how bad the defense was in 2011 that last year's defense seemed pretty good.  It was only better than terrible.

 

The thing is that sometimes the stats you post are skewed and misleading.   For example using rankings instead of absolute numbers can lead to very misleading numbers.  For example what is the difference between the 10th team, Cincinnatti(.124) (30 turnovers) and 17th team, Carolina (.145) (27 forced but only 23 turnovers) in total turnovers.  When you consider they had 13 more defensive drives what was the big difference.  Maybe that we jumped on 12 out of 16 fumbles forced and they jumped on everyone of their 16??  Significant??  Hardly.....   What about yards per drive?  We were 20th at 31.96 or 32 yards per drive. The 10 th ranked defense gave up 29.62 or 30 yards per drive.  So we suck because we gave up an average of 2 more yards per drive??

 

How come you didn't mention TDs per drive where we were 13th (.194) or fumbles per drive where we were 9th( .059).  Also didn't mention that we were close to the bottom in regards to LOS/drive (24th at 28.65) suggesting our defense was put at a disadvantage much of the time. 

 

 

You also failed to put things in context that when you compare the offense and the defense together and look at a net factor like yards per drive we ended up 10th, right below Atlanta. To say we were terrible is hyperbole more than fact.

 

For those who want the numbers instead of largely useless rankings, here are the numbers from football outsiders so you can compare yourself.

 

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/drivestats

[panthers55]

My concern is if Shula and Rivera are the game day collaborators. What have either shown to instill confidence in their game day decision making. I mean who's gonna make the calls when the clock is winding down and we need a FG to win? You trust Chico? You trust Shula?

Actually the guy we have to trust is not Rivera or Shula but Gano.  Right now I would say we need a TD to win.  Wouldn't trust Gano with field goals at this point.