ESPN's Football Outsiders red flags the Carolina Panthers WR position

[panthers55]

who said they should be admired?

 

they just have done more than us...therefore the "hey look at NE" approach doesn't jive.  That was my only point.

Then why bring them up to say they did more than we did in drafting  guys at WR.  You always take pot shots at the Panthers using other teams for comparison.  I  called you on it because we don't want to be like the Patriots drafting WRs who bust or never develop.   We are better off picking guys at other positions than continuing to pick guys at WR who don't pan out.  Look at how many guys we have on our roster right now at WR. I count 14.  Before we just add a few more I would like to see how they develop. Throwing more bodies at a problem is rarely the best solution.

[panthers55]

those 2 FA picks up poo all over any we have made at the position.

 

and they still invested more in recieving targets in the first 2 rounds over the last 15 years.  It was implied they neglected it....they have attempted to invest more than us at the position.

Moss did nothing else since leaving NE and lets see how Wes Welker does without Brady.  It might not be that the players are great but they are  great in that system.  And again investing something with no results is wasting picks not being smart about it.  So again why is attempted to invest more a good thing?  You talk in circles much of the time.

[rayzor]

Moss did nothing else since leaving NE and lets see how Wes Welker does without Brady.  It might not be that the players are great but they are  great in that system.  And again investing something with no results is wasting picks not being smart about it.  So again why is attempted to invest more a good thing?  You talk in circles much of the time.

 

welker has peyton throwing to him now so i think he'll be fine.

[CRA]

Then why bring them up to say they did more than we did in drafting  guys at WR.  You always take pot shots at the Panthers using other teams for comparison.  I  called you on it because we don't want to be like the Patriots drafting WRs who bust or never develop.   We are better off picking guys at other positions than continuing to pick guys at WR who don't pan out.  Look at how many guys we have on our roster right now at WR. I count 14.  Before we just add a few more I would like to see how they develop. Throwing more bodies at a problem is rarely the best solution.

you would need to ask the poster who brought up the Patriots and there lack of drafting WRs up this thread.  Wasn't me....I just responded to an angle someone was making...

 

I don't agree with the so so busted therefore we shouldn't draft the position ever again.  By that logic, Newton should not of been drafted.  In 15 years we have drafted 2 2nd rounders out of the top two rounds....that isn't exactly investing heavily and missing.

[panthers55]

welker has peyton throwing to him now so i think he'll be fine.

True.  Still that doesn't mean they would have done the same thing here and that is what you are implying.

[rayzor]

True.  Still that doesn't mean they would have done the same thing here and that is what you are implying.

 

lol i'm not implying anything. i ducked out of this whole discussion yesterday. i was just checking in, saw that comment about welker and threw in my half a cent there.

 

[Guest HelloWorld]

At this stage of Smith career he should be the #2 WR. Even Smith would appreciate that because he has nothing more to prove.

[panthers55]

you would need to ask the poster who brought up the Patriots and there lack of drafting WRs up this thread.  Wasn't me....I just responded to an angle someone was making...

 

I don't agree with the so so busted therefore we shouldn't draft the position ever again.  By that logic, Newton should not of been drafted.  In 15 years we have drafted 2 2nd rounders out of the top two rounds....that isn't exactly investing heavily and missing.

Just like you responded to Zod yesterday when we talking  free agent wide receivers and mentioned Percy Harvin or Williams. I can't tell if you are trying to be a smart ass or think you are actually making a valid point most of the time.

 

And your leap of logic most of the  time takes a good discussion and makes it ridiculous. How does taking a number of wide receivers in the draft over the past 7 or 8 years have anything to do with drafting Newton number 1 overall. That we drafted Clausen which is the only quarterback we drafted as a starter since Weinke?  Wasn't Smith a third rounder?  How did that work out?? The other guys we drafted or signed at QB were developmental guys like we brought in this year.

 

When you have a number 1 receiver who is very good you don't bring in a ton of other guys every year. Plus you have to see how a guy develops before you simply bring in several more.  And don't say by that logic we should have developed Clausen.  When you are historically bad you don't need years to figure that out. 

 

No one said we invested heavily but honestly I don't think we have needed to.  

[panthers55]

lol i'm not implying anything. i ducked out of this whole discussion yesterday. i was just checking in, saw that comment about welker and threw in my half a cent there.

 

Couldn't help yourself could ya??

[rayzor]

Couldn't help yourself could ya??

maybe.

 

i wasn't even thinking about the panthers when i wrote that. i didn't think it was related b/c i haven't really been following the "conversation". kind of just a drive by to see if you guys were still going around and what tangent y'all were on.

[Peppers90 NC]

of course it's a concern, we all know it's a concern but during the draft, it wasn't the biggest need based on value of what was available.  we were not in position to fill every need this offseason, unfortunately.

[TANTRIC-NINJA]

Football is such a weird sport to evaluate positional talent to scheme.

They critize Hixon having 580 yrds in his best season but he is a 3rd or 4th option behind Nicks and Cruz.

However the stat about Lafell only having 1 100yrd game is something to keep an eye especially at all those who love the guy. He is a borderline number 2 to me but i do expect he will improve this season.

I liked when Gettleman was defending Ginn and said " some guys are victims of being overdrafted" which Ginn clearly was. It is like calling Troy Williamson a bust(which he is) who never showed one game in college to warrant a third round pick let alone a high first. Bust- sure. But overdrafted for what their skill was. GinN was just ultra fast in college.. Really raw as a Wr.

[TheMaulClaw]

This article is poo.  He says there is no one there to complement Steve Smith, but Greg Olsen had 69 catches for over 800 yards last year.   Olsen is arguably our best receiver period.   I know he specifically red flagged the "wr" spot, but to not mention the steady production of Olsen especially since we line him up like a WR a lot,  speaks bad to me.  Anyway, good bulletin board material.

[TheRed]

This article is poo.  He says there is no one there to complement Steve Smith, but Greg Olsen had 69 catches for over 800 yards last year.   Olsen is arguably our best receiver period.   I know he specifically red flagged the "wr" spot, but to not mention the steady production of Olsen especially since we line him up like a WR a lot,  speaks bad to me.  Anyway, good bulletin board material.

 

Which is why we could really use another quality TE to pair with Greg.