With 8.46 million do we go shopping or sign Hardy?

[MHS831]

I would like to see Hardy show that kind of production again before I would want to commit to a long term contract with guaranteed money.

I love Krakken but to this point he has been inconsistent and if I were GM o would like to see continued production first.

Just my thoughts

Of course, I realize that your approach is probably the safest in the long run and I see Gettlemen doing just what you suggest.   You could argue that Frank Alexander is a riser and a wise decision is to see where both players are at the end of 2013. 

[MHS831]

I have read and listened to the debate on this topic and have come to the conclusion that I am sooooo glad we have a GM to make this decision instead of a bunch of guys acting like silly girls.

 

Having said all that I could see at least one more FA move to address either the OL or secondary.

I cannot believe that Brandon Moore is sitting there...I watched a few drills on Panther.com and saw Kugbila pulling and sealing what would have been a LB.  He was low and quick. He seems powerful. I am aware that one edited clip is not the answer, but it was encouraging.  Last year I saw Hangartner's helmet rise the fastest on the snap of the ball on pass plays. 

[carolina-chuck]

so what you're saying is Gettleman is a little bitch and also doesn't watch game film.. classic chuck.

What stupid GM would start handing out contract to players since he have only been on his job in like 6 months?? Use your brain.Classic Bleys.

[bleys]

What stupid GM would start handing out contract to players since he have only been on his job in like 6 months?? Use your brain.Classic Bleys.

 

a question to ponder, if it takes you a day or two at the most to watch 2-3 seasons of tape on a player, could you actually watch 2-3 years of games within 6 months?  

 

and then ask Gettleman (please in front of everyone), how he managed to do this with players he's signed in just the last 2 months..

 

deep thoughts for chuck...

 

 

 

 

[carolina-chuck]

a question to ponder, if it takes you a day or two at the most to watch 2-3 seasons of tape on a player, could you actually watch 2-3 years of games within 6 months?

and then ask Gettleman (please in front of everyone), how he managed to do this with players he's signed in just the last 2 months..

deep thoughts for chuck...

Hardy is still under contract. Why the hell would he give hardy a new contract when he has the leverage compare to filling in needs with FAs???

[panthers55]

Huge contracts took a real beating this year and will again next year.  Why go long term until we find out what the market will bear.  We might get a better deal by waiting.  If not and he wants to go elsewhere then he should.  I would love to keep him but not at the risk of another Johnson contract.  Why would we pay 15 million a year for him??  It isn't like he is all-pro or anything special.  He had one double digit sack season.  That is it.......

[bleys]

Hardy is still under contract. Why the hell would he give hardy a new contract when he has the leverage compare to filling in needs with FAs???

 

 

you sound baffled at the idea that a GM who watches a poo ton of game film, who made it priority to get right to work as soon as he got the job to see who exactly was on this team, then cannot figure out within 6 months the versatility and talent Hardy brings to the table...  

 

Only to respond with a question that was answered throughout this thread over and over...     

 

but hey, maybe Gettleman wants to gamble and wait a year..  

[mwright350]

Hardy is still under contract. Why the hell would he give hardy a new contract when he has the leverage compare to filling in needs with FAs???

 

Here's the thing with Hardy, it's a gamble no matter what we decide to do with him.  There are four possible outcomes here:

 

• We give Hardy a contract this year and he has a spectacular year again this year
• We give Hardy a contract this year and he tanks this year
• We do not give Hardy a contract this year and he has a spectacular year again this year
• We do not give Hardy a contract this year and he tanks this year

The best outcome for us is we give a young pass rusher a contact before he hits the open market AND he has a great year next year - this means we will have him longer at a lower price.  The gamble there is that he has a down year next year and could be have been had more cheaply / let go.  If we don't give Hardy a contract now and his next season is very good we will almost certainly not be able to afford to keep him which will result in our losing a talented young DE to free agency.

 

The guy at the helm right now comes from an organization that still believes football is won in the trenches and has a fetish for DLinemen.  Also let's not forget that Johnson / Hardy were the best 4-3 DE tandem in the league last year.  That's not an accident usually.  If I were a betting man I would predict that Gettleman is going to take the first gamble, not the 2nd, and try to get him under contract before we play a snap in 2013.  Maybe he can't...and maybe it doesn't pan out if he can...but it's not blind loyalty and it wouldn't be a stupid move by any stretch of the imagination to take that gamble.  

 

In the end we don't know what will happen but to blindly dismiss (or berate) either possibility is silly.

[OneBadCat]

Hardy is much more valuable to the team than some might realize. If I'm not mistaken Hardy was the one taking on the LT most of the time last season.

[carolina-chuck]

you sound baffled at the idea that a GM who watches a poo ton of game film, who made it priority to get right to work as soon as he got the job to see who exactly was on this team, then cannot figure out within 6 months the versatility and talent Hardy brings to the table...  

 

Only to respond with a question that was answered throughout this thread over and over...     

 

but hey, maybe Gettleman wants to gamble and wait a year..  

 

you answer your own question

 

[bleys]

you answer your own question

 

 

if only the points you try to convey didn't get lost within your confusion of a discussion.  

 

it's one of several possibilities, but allow me to digress, as we wait the next 6 months for Gettleman to assess the anomaly known as The Kraken..

 

maybe in 3 years, he'll have become one with the Kraken and discover the truth path of enlightenment.. 

 

or maybe he's seen enough game film to sign Hardy before he breaks out, again.

[carolina-chuck]

if only the points you try to convey didn't get lost within your confusion of a discussion.

it's one of several possibilities, but allow me to digress, as we wait the next 6 months for Gettleman to assess the anomaly known as The Kraken..

maybe in 3 years, he'll have become one with the Kraken and discover the truth path of enlightenment..

or maybe he's seen enough game film to sign Hardy before he breaks out, again.

You really think a new GM is going to just walk to a new place and give a new contract to a player he has no relationship with until now. The season hasn't even started and he is going to start giving out contracts to everyone just bc he watched some damn films of the guy???

C'mon. It's a new market. Players don't have the leverage they once had. It's a GM driven market now. The last DE in the NFL to land a big contract was CJ. No other team is going to throw a big contract to Hardy's face next offseason. Avril and Bennett had a damn hard time landing a job this offseason. What makes you think anyone is going to throw something stupid at him?? Teams rather draft and groom a young guy out of the draft than paying a veteran big money.

[bleys]

You really think a new GM is going to just walk to a new place and give a new contract to a player he has no relationship with until now. The season hasn't even started and he is going to start giving out contracts to everyone just bc he watched some damn films of the guy???

C'mon. It's a new market. Players don't have the leverage they once had. It's a GM driven market now. The last DE in the NFL to land a big contract was CJ. No other team is going to throw a big contract to Hardy's face next offseason. Avril and Bennett had a damn hard time landing a job this offseason. What makes you think anyone is going to throw something stupid at him?? Teams rather draft and groom a young guy out of the draft than paying a veteran big money.

 

you're assumptions are always entertaining.  how you jump from one thing to another without credence.  

 

no one mentioned CJ-esque size contracts or throwing something stupid at him.  However, that's actually my point, regardless of what the market is commanding next year, this year would still benefit the Panthers more.  

 

What the market commands next year doesn't explain why Gettleman needs to feed his ego/pride by signing only "his guys".

 

Nor does this weird assumption that it takes 6 months to know the talent on your roster, which he reportedly did as SOON as he got the GM job.   You know, being a "pro scout" everyone raves over, as well as being a film junky..  

 

Nor how Osi being a little bitch every other year about his contract says anything about Hardy's versatility, ability to play majority of the snaps, how he took CJ's job from him, and still wouldn't command that much.  

 

And seeing as how he asked for a new contract before his old one ran out means he's willing to play ball to stay in Carolina.  Where is the "something stupid" contract coming from in that argument?

 

Are you telling me Gettleman doesn't look at the big picture?  That locking up Hardy at some point this year must be done right now, right now?  But not this year because Cam Newton's contract is going to be completely and utterly cap friendly.  What's a few extra million in cap, whether it's 2 mil per year or 5 mil..

or is it just better to be safe than sorry?  sure, everyone will have their opinion..  although, how you come up with yours is worth a fun little discussion.

 

Just stick to "I want to see what he does this year so I think that's what Gettleman should do."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Find me a new GM on the job who's already giving money to players other than signing FAs. That was a stupid point.

 

stupid doesn't begin to explain how you think watching film from a FA is any different than watching film of players on the new team you just signed with...

 

 

[carolina-chuck]

you're assumptions are always entertaining. how you jump from one thing to another without credence. no one mentioned CJ-esque size contracts, and all those points further enhance why locking up Hardy early would be a major benefit to the team should Gettleman go that route.

Find me a new GM on the job who's already giving money to players other than signing FAs. That was a stupid point.