Gettlemen continues to get criticism for not bringing in a WR

[rayzor]

Just wanted to go ahead and get it out of the way with all the menstruating going on in here.

I wanted a possible heir to Steve this year but I can wait until next season. We need another TE though.

 

so fire everyone and get your menstruating over with, right?

 

[rayzor]

Wadafa?

 

not sure what the problem was.

 

we had options. not many, but they were there. we didn't take them. we could have done things to improve WR, but we didn't because we focused on other areas of improvement. we couldn't do everything that we needed to do because of the situation we were left with.

[CRA]

I don't think you are getting what I am saying.

 

This is the position we have been put in by Hurney. There is little we can do, and it sucks for Cam. Marty should have been addressing the WR position in the first couple of rounds years ago. But when you sacrifice cap space when other positions were in such dire need, you affect the team in many different ways.

 

Cam has weapons to compete right now, and if he becomes the QB I think he is about to become in year 3, than it was the right move to not sacrifice future cap space on WR. Cam has the ability to make players around him better, he is that talented. What Gettleman has done is cleared cap space for a future move, we have yet to know what move that will be. We have yet to see what these WR's will do right now, most of them very young, like Cam. 

 

You build from the trenches out, I believe in Gettleman's MO. Then you start looking at finesse types of players, i.e wide reciever, safety, cb, ect. It just sucks that Cam is going into year 3 and doesn't have what Matt Stafford, Matt Ryan or Aaron Rodgers has. I get that.

 

And you saying we need this and we need that, is just a big duh dude. Every single team is in a circular motion regarding talent aging and becoming deficient, and gaining more talent through draft, free agency, ect. This is the position we are in. So here is the question, would you rather have drafted a wide receiver, or signed a WR for big money, that would help Cam or would you have rather taken Gettleman's route. Which way would you have rather gone?  What makes the team compete at a higher level? These are the question we should be asking.

 

Do you think our D-lines weakness were less than our WR weakness? Which route would you have taken with 16 million over the cap. What would you have done?

 

edit: And i seriously thought you were trolling just to have a laugh. Cause i didn't think you actually beleived we should go after guys like Jennings and Wallace. My mistake. I wasn't trying to be a dick.

 

question....if Mike Wallace type was avaliable right now.  Could we realistically go after him?  We may have to tweak a few things/contracts but wouldn't it be realistic thing we could attempt?

[TheRed]

I don't throw temper tantrums....I have no issue w/ people who have different opinions. It is too be expected. That is why, unlike many here, I don't insult other posters, make low blows, or try to pull out the "you aren't a GM card" when people discuss stuff I disagree with. I just share my thoughts.

I know there is work to do...but where are here to pass the time and discuss the present. Tommorrow always brings changes....and that can flip worries or non-worries on their head.

You can dislike my stances....but I don't troll, nor am I disrespectful or childish here. Everyone can't say that. (that doesn't not mean I am implying in petains to you)

I meant no disrespect, you are one of the more informative posters here. We all can be wrong though.

so fire everyone and get your menstruating over with, right?

Oh geez can I not joke around now?

[CRA]

I meant no disrespect, you are one of the more informative posters here. We all can be wrong though.

Oh geez can I not joke around now?

are you a paid professional comedian?

[rayzor]

I meant no disrespect, you are one of the more informative posters here. We all can be wrong though.

Oh geez can I not joke around now?

 

no.

 

you cannot.

 

this is the internets. it's serious.

 

 

[jarhead]

Our losses had A LOT to do with the WR position. Our best WR went over half the season before he found the end zone. Our pass catching TE is good, but has games where he isnt a factor. The fact our receivers dont consistently get seperation is a big problem. The fact our O Line is bottom tier is a big problem. There's nobody on our O outside of our QB that keeps a defense up late at night worried. If we cant dictate ballgames with our offense than we're gonna lose most games because our defense is NOT opportunistic enough week to week to put up points to counter that. If we had an ability to score more and score in GUT CHECK situations we wouldnt blow as many 2nd half leads either. But once defenses clamp down on our guys the offense stalls. We need more PLAYMAKERS.

 

I respectfully disagree.....there was allot of blame to go around but it did not lie on the backs of the WRs. When you start with poor field position all the time is a reason, when Cam fumbles is a reason, when you call all gadget plays is a reason , when you play a safety that could not compete on a good High School team is a reason,when you commit a penalty on 3rd and 1 is a reason but you cannot say that Smitty and LaFell were the reasons we lost games. 

[CRA]

I respectfully disagree.....there was allot of blame to go around but it did not lie on the backs of the WRs. When you start with poor field position all the time is a reason, when Cam fumbles is a reason, when you call all gadget plays is a reason , when you play a safety that could not compete on a good High School team is a reason,when you commit a penalty on 3rd and 1 is a reason but you cannot say that Smitty and LaFell were the reasons we lost games. 

 

well, I would say when you run a vertical pass attack

 

with crap G play and no vertical threat WR......it is hard to be consistant.

[TheRumGone]

question....if Mike Wallace type was avaliable right now.  Could we realistically go after him?  We may have to tweak a few things/contracts but wouldn't it be realistic thing we could attempt?

 

my mother always told me to never answer a question with a question. jk

 

Not this year, I want to see what happens with this group going forward.  We have a couple contracts coming up, some of them very big (Cam and Hardy, although i agree with you i hope Alexander steps up majorly this year). And it will be interesting to see how Gettleman plays this out. Something has to be done with Beason's contract, it's just ridiculous. Godfrey i expect will be gone, along with a few others. I won't like forking over Wallace type money until we are fiscally in the clear (dolphins had what 60 million cap space?), because there can be some extraneous circumstances (other contracts) that could get us into big trouble if things don't pan out. It's all about becoming a well balanced team. Someone posted that we might have like 20 million cap space next year, I don't know if that is true or not but we can do some major things to this team if that is the case, WR being one of them.

 

I said before if we do have that kind of cap room, I expect us to sign a WR as well as draft one in the first or second round. That is just what i want to happen, not sure if it will.

 

I just think this year there are many, many question marks that could become resolved on their own. And some of it from the offense in the early part of the season was depressing.  How Cam played at the beginning of the year (partly Chud's doing, partly Cam). That may not be a popular opinion. But what I saw from Cam the last half of the season i think is going to be the beginning of his greatness (making everyone around him better).  We'll see though.

 

I tend to try and look at things in a cyclical fashion. We are just kind of stuck in a tough place WR wise for Cam because of the draft mistakes of Hurney. But the good news is, we have time. Cam isn't going anywhere and i expect him to play for us for 10+ years.  That may suck for some fans to hear that, but at the same time we still have pieces to compete at a high level right now.  It's all about finding balance.

[Razeyfingers]

Beason will restructure soon, when they ask him too

[CRA]

Beason will restructure soon, when they ask him too

why would he now?  He hasn't got a reason to nor Carolina leverage to ask (they did w/ Williams)

[Razeyfingers]

why would he now? He hasn't got a reason to nor Carolina leverage to ask (they did. / Williams)

Because thats what leaders do. Wasn't I the first one that said Williams was going to restructure back when the contract was originally inked? I explained why and now here I am again. Williams contract was set as a benchmark for the league, Beason's was as well. The potential to reach the benchmark has changed so he has to restructure. . . when they ask him to. It may not be until next year.

[jarhead]

well, I would say when you run a vertical pass attack

 

with crap G play and no vertical threat WR......it is hard to be consistant.

 

So you are saying we lost all our games because Smitty was not enough of a vertical attack? 

[XClown1986]

why would he now? He hasn't got a reason to nor Carolina leverage to ask (they did w/ Williams)

Between drafting Klein, bringing in Blackburn, losing his starting position at MLB, his injury plagued past two seasons, and what he would make in free agency from another team if we cut him.... id say Carolina has a poo load of leverage. Not to mention that Beason wants to stay and everyone knows it.