Gettlemen continues to get criticism for not bringing in a WR

[DaCityKats]

Everything about this--especially the last paragraph--is SPOT ON!!! People, Star should have gone 3rd overall--It would have cost us our entire draft to move up that far.  We got a steal at a need position.  The rest of the draft was gravy, and we got some players who will be on our roster in 4 years--the length of the contract.

 

About KK--he plays a different position than Star plays.  "Another DT????"  Yes.  A Nose and an undertackle positions Marty ignored until his desperation attempt to fill the spot in the third round in 2011 and that did not work out well.  Bottom line:  We turned a weakness into a strength by drafting a top 5 pick at 14 and a player AT A DIFFERENT POSITION who had a first round grade in the second round.

 

55 is right (it hurts to say it)--Did we need another slot or (at best) #2 WR?  We need a player who has the skill set to become a #1.  Austin?  he was gone and, if you ask me, a reach.  Patterson? A boom or bust pick. 

 

If we are not stopping the run or rushing the passer, then we are going to lose.  A WR is a weapon who touches the ball 7 times a game. 

 

Wide Receivers take some time to develop.  Most take a year or two to develop---IF they are getting on the field.  We have drafted WRs in the third (Lafell, Edwards), fourth (Adams), fifth (Pilares) and sixth (Gettis) rounds in the past four years.  Since this draft did not have any Julio Joneses or Calvin Johnsons in it, and we had such huge needs at BOTH DT positions and RG, Gettlemen did the only thing he could have done.

 

Gettlemen drafted people on day 3 who could be key players in the future.  In a year, I expect to see Kugbila as a solid RG, Klein as a starting LB (or solid depth at any LB position and a key special teamer), and Barner a contributing change of pace back.

 

Of course, another developmental WR to bury the development of our other developmental WRs is what some wanted.  Go figure.

 

they where drafted to play different spots but lets not act as though both guys have not shown the ability to play both UT and NT.  i have no problem with the DTs but to double dip at one position is a bit to much. name another time this method have worked for a team, especially with back to back picks? why does a WR have to Julio or Clavin to be considered for the 1st round?its a reason those types go in the top 10 picks, and will not make it 14.lets forget about the Dez, Hakeems, Bay- Bays, and Percys of the league who where also drafted in the 1st round.with the way the nfl is evolving, the #3 WR or slot guy is a starter as well seeing around 20+ snaps a game. you say WRs take years to develop, but so does DT and any position drafted. again we have brought in some bad mid- to late round talent at WR who has pretty muched developed to all they are going to be. that talent might get a little better but i will be surprised to see any WR break out on this team next year. just look at last years mid to late round WRs who numbers compare to Lafell as rookies, so late round talent could have been brought in to compete.

 

Gettleman drafted people on day 3 that could be key players in the future. but he also ignored 1 position for the present and future by not bringing in a WR, and has pretty much forced his hand for next year. there are 5 players at one position who contract ends at the end of the year, and im not going to go on about building up around your QB like successful teams have done.but lets look at what the teams who drafted a QB the same year Cam was drafted have done.

 

Panthers

Shockey- was brought in before cam was drafted, but is no longer with the team

Olsen

Pilares

Adams

Ginn

Hixon

 

Jags

Cecil Shorts- mid round WR

Taylor Price- no longer with the team

Larent Robinson- no longer with the team

Lee Evans- no longer with the team

Justin Blackmon

Mohammad Massaquoi

Ace Sanders

 

Titans

Donnie Avery- no longer with the team

Craig Stevens

Kendall Wright

Taylor Thompson

Delanie Walker

Justin Hunter

 

Vikings

Kyle Rudolph

Steve Burton

John Carlson

Jerome Simpson

Jarius Wright

Greg Childs-nlt

Greg Jennings

Cordarrelle Patterson

 

Bengals

Brandon Tate

AJ Green

Ryan Whalen

Armon Binns

Andrew Hawkins

Mohamd Sanu

Marvin Jones

Dane Sanzenbacher

Tyler Eifert

Cobi Hamiltion

 

49ers

Ted Ginn- Panthers

Ronald Johnson

Mario Manningham

Randy Moss-nwt

AJ Jenkins

Quinton Patton

Vance McDonald

Anquan Boldin

 

do anybody see the correlation?

 

tldr version

 

teams that drafted QBs in the top 2 rounds in 2011 have made a better effort to surround there young QB with weapons to pass to. and the 3 teams( Bengals, Vikings, 49ers) who did the most went to the playoffs last year.

[panthers55]

it's amazing the amount of energy some use to argue a what they consider a moot point that they think shouldn't be argued further acting as if they are on some higher plane of thought and maturity.

 

i love people who act like they are better than other people. it makes life fun.

 

so people aren't happy with what we've done with WR and think the team is in a bad spot. what's it to you?

 

if you don't think it should be or needs to be argued/discussed further, then don't. it's that simple. just don't engage in conversations that you don't think need to exist.

You are one of the ones that has kept this thread alive for 40 pages arguing the same thing over and over.  And when I say something about it, you get all butt hurt.  I make a post every ten pages talking about the waste of energy to change no ones mind.  You fill up the other 10 pages saying the same thing over and over and then find it amazing that I respond to you.

I find it amazing you keep at it over and over page after page.  What is it to me?  I think I have the same right to make a comment about how absurd this thread it  as you do to keep it going with the same thing over and over.  The difference between you and me is that I recognize the absurdity and you clearly don't.  I don't care if you talk about it for another 20 pages.  I frankly enjoy the absurdity of it and it gives a change to make a social comment every now and then.

[panthers55]

the big question:

 

How the hell is this thread still going?

Rayzor and DaCity Cats singlehandedly have done that and show no sign of subsiding.  What is the record for an off-season draft thread??? 

[rayzor]

good for you, mother superior.

[TheRed]

"i'm going to make some smarmy comment that makes me sound like i'm better than everyone else"

 

I laughed. Isn't that generally what everyone in this very thread has been doing for 42 pages?

 

I enjoy giving you a light ribbing here and there. Let's simply agree to disagree and be done with it.

[jarhead]

I think the argument should go on for at least 10 more pages.It beats debating what color jock straps they should wear

[Kakarot]

they where drafted to play different spots but lets not act as though both guys have not shown the ability to play both UT and NT. i have no problem with the DTs but to double dip at one position is a bit to much. name another time this method have worked for a team, especially with back to back picks? why does a WR have to Julio or Clavin to be considered for the 1st round?its a reason those types go in the top 10 picks, and will not make it 14.lets forget about the Dez, Hakeems, Bay- Bays, and Percys of the league who where also drafted in the 1st round.with the way the nfl is evolving, the #3 WR or slot guy is a starter as well seeing around 20+ snaps a game. you say WRs take years to develop, but so does DT and any position drafted. again we have brought in some bad mid- to late round talent at WR who has pretty muched developed to all they are going to be. that talent might get a little better but i will be surprised to see any WR break out on this team next year. just look at last years mid to late round WRs who numbers compare to Lafell as rookies, so late round talent could have been brought in to compete.

Gettleman drafted people on day 3 that could be key players in the future. but he also ignored 1 position for the present and future by not bringing in a WR, and has pretty much forced his hand for next year. there are 5 players at one position who contract ends at the end of the year, and im not going to go on about building up around your QB like successful teams have done.but lets look at what the teams who drafted a QB the same year Cam was drafted have done.

Panthers

Shockey- was brought in before cam was drafted, but is no longer with the team

Olsen

Pilares

Adams

Ginn

Hixon

Jags

Cecil Shorts- mid round WR

Taylor Price- no longer with the team

Larent Robinson- no longer with the team

Lee Evans- no longer with the team

Justin Blackmon

Mohammad Massaquoi

Ace Sanders

Titans

Donnie Avery- no longer with the team

Craig Stevens

Kendall Wright

Taylor Thompson

Delanie Walker

Justin Hunter

Vikings

Kyle Rudolph

Steve Burton

John Carlson

Jerome Simpson

Jarius Wright

Greg Childs-nlt

Greg Jennings

Cordarrelle Patterson

Bengals

Brandon Tate

AJ Green

Ryan Whalen

Armon Binns

Andrew Hawkins

Mohamd Sanu

Marvin Jones

Dane Sanzenbacher

Tyler Eifert

Cobi Hamiltion

49ers

Ted Ginn- Panthers

Ronald Johnson

Mario Manningham

Randy Moss-nwt

AJ Jenkins

Quinton Patton

Vance McDonald

Anquan Boldin

do anybody see the correlation?

tldr version

teams that drafted QBs in the top 2 rounds in 2011 have made a better effort to surround there young QB with weapons to pass to. and the 3 teams( Bengals, Vikings, 49ers) who did the most went to the playoffs last year.

Good post.

[rayzor]

I laughed. Isn't that generally what everyone in this very thread has been doing for 42 pages?

 

I enjoy giving you a light ribbing here and there. Let's simply agree to disagree and be done with it.

 

sounds good. you quit posting in this thread now, ok? don't even look in it. be actually done with it.

 

i bet you can't stay away.

[jarhead]

How are the WRs in this draft at best #2s?

This draft easily could of had Steve Smiths, Mike Wallaces or Greg Jennings in it. Most drafts do an this was a talented class.

We have a bunch of rentals, bandaids, guys at the end of their rope battling out for what should be bottom of the depth chart.

Smitty's lack of YAC, ability to find the endzone, and his usage in routes changing all concerns me.

Smiity or Olsen getting hurt is what keeps me up at night.Hell with all the DTs on the squad we may need to make one a receiver

[bleys]

this thread length IS rather absurd.   

 

and boring.

[CatMan72]

I don't understand why people totally dismiss LaFell? 

 

He's headed into his 4th season, and he has developed nicely so far. He's made some great catches and broke a few big TD's including the longest passing TD in the history of the franchise. 

 

We addressed a big need with the BPA at # 14 in the draft and there wasn't anyone on the board that you could immediately declare to be a better prospect than LaFell. In the meantime, we brought in the FA WR's we could afford under our cap. 

 

I think Gettleman has done just fine with addressing the WR position under the circumstances. 

 

 

[rayzor]

this thread length IS rather absurd.   

 

and boring.

 

this thread will disappear soon enough. there's just nothing going on...i mean there's OTAs but no one is talking about it in the media (mainly b/c they don't know anything).

 

once we hear more this topic will likely fall off the page and be replaced with several others.

 

it's funny, tho, because it's gone on this long largely due to people arguing that it's not worth arguing over. it takes two to tango and i'm just largely curious (and bored because my garden hasn't started producing and the fish aren't biting yet) to see how long people will keep on talking about how this isn't something that needs to be talked about so much.

 

some people aren't happy with the WR situation and wish we had done more. others keep bringing it up and saying it's not a big deal and it doesn't need to be talked about more. if they don't want it talked about, quit talking about it and just leave the thread alone. then those of us who haven't yet let go will get bored and move on to something else. no one is forcing anyone to participate or look in the thread.

 

and no, my butt doesn't hurt. i don't know why people have to act like 13 year olds and throw that word around (and yes, i'm acting like i'm better than those who say that...isn't that the way it's done around here?)

[Razeyfingers]

I frankly enjoy the absurdity of it and it gives a change to make a social comment every now and then.

 

Hmm, it just makes me sad. Taking a step backward and considering if it is possible for mankind to ever move toward one common goal. Here is your proof in this thread.

[iamhubby1]

Rayzor is just unhappy with the current state of affairs here in Pantherland. And he is doing his best to share that displeasure with the masses.

Sharing is a good thing? Right?