Gettlemen continues to get criticism for not bringing in a WR

[CRA]

^^^ lol

Having 2 Potential high level DT's who can impact every defensive snap > beat available WR at 44 (at best future #2, immediate #3)

Selective logic....Hopkins for example is a potential high level WR. Can easily make an arguement he was more dominant last year than either DT was in 2012

[OnlyPantherFaninMaine]

I believe I heard somewhere that the Bengals were shopping Andrew Hawkins. Small guy but definitely a burner that could stretch the field despite his height. Has the ability to take a short pass the distance posted some decent numbers last year with Dalton. Probably could be had fairly cheap and he is still pretty young. 

[O-Ther]

I'm starting to see why it's necessary to have a minimum post count to start topics on this board. Don't need fans of other teams talking smack about our Panthers, especially since there's more than enough Panther fans willing to do it themselves.

[xerxes]

but we were 14th against the run last year.  we werent that bad against the run.  I get the Star pick, I really do, but I don't think we were bad enough were we needed to double dip on the position, especially when we had other needs.

Gettleman's philosophy is fill needs in free agency so he can go Best Player Available in the draft. Is anyone really making the argument that a WR was BPA at the 44th pick?

 

I don't think people realize how much the scouting and coaching staff LOVED Short. He was on top of their board at that point in the draft. It ain't complicated people.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

Gettleman's philosophy is fill needs in free agency so he can go Best Player Available in the draft. Is anyone really making the argument that a WR was BPA at the 44th pick?

 

I don't think people realize how much the scouting and coaching staff LOVED Short. He was on top of their board at that point in the draft. It ain't complicated people.

 

Not to mention our best defensive tackle in years was a 32 year old preseason cut for the Bills that couldn't get an offer in free agency from another team after his "breakout" season. I cannot stress how bad that position has been for years compared to just about anything else on the roster. But then again, dudes just really love flashy skill positions, so I can kind of understand all this sound and fury about it.

[MadHatter]

Gettleman's philosophy is fill needs in free agency so he can go Best Player Available in the draft. Is anyone really making the argument that a WR was BPA at the 44th pick?

I don't think people realize how much the scouting and coaching staff LOVED Short. He was on top of their board at that point in the draft. It ain't complicated people.

He'll, some of them are trying to say that WR was BPA at #14....even with Star on the board.

Explains why we keep having dumb threads and arguments lately.

[panthers55]

So after 40 pages this is what I have learned.  Most folks think Star was a good pick but some want to elevate receivers which were picked much later in the draft to superstar status and figure they would be better than a guy who was at some point considered the best player in the draft who fell to us because of a false medical report.  Somehow replacing a receiver was more important than finding a nose tackle which we didn't have.

 

Some folks didn't like KK at 44 feeling it wasn't a big need to find a replacement for a 32 year old DT who has had one breakout year in his career.  These same folks though wanted a receiver who would be the 3 or 4th best receiver on the team at that point because they think we need to replace a 32 year multiple probowl receiver who showed little sign of slowing down.

 

And that no matter the argument on either side, no one has changed anyone else's mind just like this post won't either and the same people will take this to task as well with the same arguments they made on page 2 or 3.

 

Lastly, the huddle is rarely the place to debate and change minds, it is more an opportunity to show one upmanship and argue relentlessly about something that is usually a moot point.

[CRA]

So after 40 pages this is what I have learned. Most folks think Star was a good pick but some want to elevate receivers which were picked much later in the draft to superstar status and figure they would be better than a guy who was at some point considered the best player in the draft who fell to us because of a false medical report. Somehow replacing a receiver was more important than finding a nose tackle which we didn't have.

Some folks didn't like KK at 44 feeling it wasn't a big need to find a replacement for a 32 year old DT who has had one breakout year in his career. These same folks though wanted a receiver who would be the 3 or 4th best receiver on the team at that point because they think we need to replace a 32 year multiple probowl receiver who showed little sign of slowing down.

And that no matter the argument on either side, no one has changed anyone else's mind just like this post won't either and the same people will take this to task as well with the same arguments they made on page 2 or 3.

Lastly, the huddle is rarely the place to debate and change minds, it is more an opportunity to show one upmanship and argue relentlessly about something that is usually a moot point.

In fairness....we don't know false medical reports are the only reason Star didnt go as early as some projected at one point.

Also, Steve Smith showed little signs of slowing down? Again, I think to be fair that might not be completely accurate. I think there where several signs for concern.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

So after 40 pages this is what I have learned. Most folks think Star was a good pick but some want to elevate receivers which were picked much later in the draft to superstar status and figure they would be better than a guy who was at some point considered the best player in the draft who fell to us because of a false medical report. Somehow replacing a receiver was more important than finding a nose tackle which we didn't have.

Some folks didn't like KK at 44 feeling it wasn't a big need to find a replacement for a 32 year old DT who has had one breakout year in his career. These same folks though wanted a receiver who would be the 3 or 4th best receiver on the team at that point because they think we need to replace a 32 year multiple probowl receiver who showed little sign of slowing down.

And that no matter the argument on either side, no one has changed anyone else's mind just like this post won't either and the same people will take this to task as well with the same arguments they made on page 2 or 3.

Lastly, the huddle is rarely the place to debate and change minds, it is more an opportunity to show one upmanship and argue relentlessly about something that is usually a moot point.

The funniest thing is that I believe everyone on here readily agrees that both defensive tackle and wide receiver were important needs for the team. We have basically spent hundreds of responses splitting hairs over how much we needed one over the other. It's a silly thing about the internet and psychology in general where the people you dislike most tend to be a lot like you. Just a bunch of panther's fans getting really worked up about each other's impassioned view of the team.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

one thing i haven't seen anybody bring up (i apologize if it has been and i missed it because this thread is 40 fuging pages long) is that gettleman came from an organization that would go around shaking trees and serviceable wide receivers would fall out.

[CRA]

one thing i haven't seen anybody brought up (i apologize if it has been and i missed it because this thread is 40 fuging pages long) is that gettleman came from an organization that would go around shaking trees and serviceable wide receivers would fall out.

His organization also steadily drafted WRs consistantly in early rounds

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

His organization also steadily drafted WRs consistantly in early rounds

 

yes.

 

do you think he's going to stop?

 

e: or, more accurately, do you think he wasn't taking note?

[CRA]

yes.

do you think he's going to stop?

I don't think Gettlemen is the NYG and he doesn't have a track record here for us to really know what he is....nor has he been a GM before.

We will slowly learn what he is about....like all GMs I am sure he will prove to have certain spots he places less value on than others and probably over value some spots....all GMs have that to some degree.

[PantherFeez]

Selective logic....Hopkins for example is a potential high level WR. Can easily make an arguement he was more dominant last year than either DT was in 2012

I mean sure, position comparison is subjective, but it's far easier to choose when you're in love with a player. No one was talking about Hopkins like everyone is in this thread is pre-draft. Hopkins (not a must have) is great but I am elated that Star was there at 14. It was a no brainer pick, you take the best available and unfortunately we weren't sitting way back at the 27th slot to take Hopkins. Everyone's just butt hurt that a WR wasn't drafted and that's ok.