Gettlemen continues to get criticism for not bringing in a WR

[JawnyBlaze]

It comes down to simply the value wasn't there for us to get a WR this year.  Simple as that.  Star was a no brainer in the 1st, no way we were taking ANY of the WRs in this draft over Star.  At #44 there weren't any WRs that would compete for #2, much less be a future #1 (Keenan Allen aside, I'm assuming his medical scared Gettleman away).  Short will compete for "#2" DT.  The DT that was available to us in the 2nd was better than the WRs that were available.  End of story.  Even after drafting Star our DT situation was probably still worse than our WR situation anyway.  At the very least they were on even ground, which means you take the BPA of the areas of need.  Which was Short.

[MadHatter]

Not double down on DTs.

You aren't going to crap out another Steve Smith drafting only 2 WRs in the 2nd round in 15 seasons. That isn't investing enough in WR talent to get lucky

 

I fully believe that this staff would have jumped on the right WR if he were there in the 2nd.  Problem was that they did not believe any of the guys available when we picked in the 2nd were worth the pick.

 

We spent a ton of time with Allen (and he had ties to Rivera).....yet we did not take him.  That, along with the number of WR's that we worked out, tells you that they were looking to upgrade the WR position. 

 

There just was not the right value when we picked to warrant it.

 

Why is this so damn hard for SOME people to understand.

[CRA]

We have drafted 5 WRs over the last 3 years!!!!!!!

They are all still on the team

I edited post, I was talking about what the team did in the first 2 rounds

[CRA]

I fully believe that this staff would have jumped on the right WR if he were there in the 2nd. Problem was that they did not believe any of the guys available when we picked in the 2nd were worth the pick.

We spent a ton of time with Allen (and he had ties to Rivera).....yet we did not take him. That, along with the number of WR's that we worked out, tells you that they were looking to upgrade the WR position.

There just was not the right value when we picked to warrant it.

Why is this so damn hard for SOME people to understand.

Well, I believe Hurney allowed Rivera and Fox basically to draft who they wanted.

Gettlemen is still a wildcard. We don't know him. Could Rivera and our scouts REALLY liked a WR.....and Gettlemen said no we are gonna stick to my model and we are gonna add hogmollies the first 3 rounds. Isn't that a possibility?

[NCstoner420]

Man you guys are high if you think we should had passed on Star for any other player available.

[MadHatter]

Well, I believe Hurney allowed Rivera and Fox basically to draft who they wanted.

Gettlemen is still a wildcard. We don't know him. Could Rivera and our scouts REALLY liked a WR.....and Gettlemen said no we are gonna stick to my model and we are gonna add hogmollies the first 3 rounds. Isn't that a possibility?

 

Why do you think Hurney allowed Rivera and Fox to draft who they wanted?  That is counter to what most (if not all) GM's do.  I don't think I ever read that.....but that does not mean that it was not true.

 

I do agree with you that Gettlemen does believe in building from the lines out.  Therefore, he was probably leaning DL/OL over the skill positions (if the guys on the board) were rated equally.

 

I am still cautiously optimistic about the offense.  We were a couple of fluke plays away from a 10-11 win season last year.  Plus, with adding Hixon/Ginn (over Murphy), adding Kugzilla, getting a healthy Kalil back, and Amini with one more year of experience.......I do believe the offense will be better from a talent perspecting.

 

The offense is going to come down to playcalling.  I know that some are aprehensive about Shula, but I believe he will be that nice mix of pass, power run, and read option.

 

Hope I am right and am anxious to see the product on the field.

[CRA]

Why do you think Hurney allowed Rivera and Fox to draft who they wanted? That is counter to what most (if not all) GM's do. I don't think I ever read that.....but that does not mean that it was not true.

I do agree with you that Gettlemen does believe in building from the lines out. Therefore, he was probably leaning DL/OL over the skill positions (if the guys on the board) were rated equally.

I am still cautiously optimistic about the offense. We were a couple of fluke plays away from a 10-11 win season last year. Plus, with adding Hixon/Ginn (over Murphy), adding Kugzilla, getting a healthy Kalil back, and Amini with one more year of experience.......I do believe the offense will be better from a talent perspecting.

The offense is going to come down to playcalling. I know that some are aprehensive about Shula, but I believe he will be that nice mix of pass, power run, and read option.

Hope I am right and am anxious to see the product on the field.

Bc Hurney didn't have a football background...like Gettlemen does. Hard for a guy like Hurney to tell Rivera, I get you have watched every snap Cam Newton has taken in his life and are 100% sold on him as the guy...BUT I once took a writing course in college and I think we should go DT.

I think Hurney either did his best to draft what coaches wanted or gave them a lot of input. Just a gut feeling.

I think Gettlemen's drafts will have a much heavier GM slant to them. Background simply dictating it. Plus, he comes in with a vision of how to build a team and voiced it....and his draft followed it. He even had Rivera kinda oddly being a hogmollies sound bite after the draft.

Chud's biggest flaw IMO wasn't using a heavy mix of read option for 4 weeks but just general situational playcalling over the course of 2 years. I think Shula will let Cam be Cam....which basically got Chud his gig....hopefully on 1st and goal at the 3 Shula won't get retarded like Chud often did. There is pretty much no reason for this team to pass the ball....let alone 3 times

[boozeking25]

I'm surprised the Panthers didn't draft any offensive weapons because Cam was asked to do it all last year. A lot of people have the perception that Cam had an off year; that he had a sophomore slump and that was far from the case. His numbers were almost identical to last year. Cam threw for 3,800 (4,000 last year) yards, 57% completion (60% last year) , 19 passing TDs (21 last year) and 12 interceptions (17 last year). He just got lost in all the Rg3, Wilson, and Luck hype. Also not to mention Cam was the best RB on his team as well. Cam led his team in rushing yards (741) and rushing TDs (8). That's a lot to ask from your QB. Outside of that though, the Panthers offense was very one dimensional and the play calling was simply horrible. Even with that said, the Panthers did pretty well down the stretch. They won their last 4 games and finished 7-9. Also, an interesting fact is that the Panthers lost 7 of their games by a TD or less. So that shows that they were in a lot of games. Some of those loses happened because of freak plays, horrible play calling, basically things that can be cleaned up next season.

 

The Panthers decided to go defense in the first two rounds which implies that they will rely on Cam pretty heavy again this season (running backs have to step it up big time). The Panthers already have a rising star in Luke Kuechly who will become a top LB in this league for years to come. With Luke in the middle, Charles Johnson & Greg Hardy on the ends with Star and Short, Carolinas front 7 might be a problem. Granted they need a CB, it's a start. 

 

They seem to be building for the future and went defense first. Hopefully, Steve Smith will be around next year for you guys and the Panthers address offense in the draft. The Panthers may be the under dogs but I wouldn't sleep on them. Sky can be the limit with Cam Newton as your QB. Hopefully he makes a few strides in maturity this coming season. Outside of that though, you couldn't ask for a more talented franchise QB. And this is coming from an Eagles fan.

 

 

[PantherFeez]

Lol 33 pages. There was no top tier talent at 14 (I LOVED Hopkins, but Star was a no brainer). And no top tier at 44 either. We need TOP TIER wr's, not another project. No WR available at 14 or 44 with the exception of reaching for Hopkins at 14 would be a starter. NO ONE. I really don't know how you could argue against this. For the price, I don't think you could argue we aren't getting value for Hixon and Ginn. We wouldn't have sniffed the top 5 FA WR's, and outside of those I just don't see a really home run move.

 

Just look at the money guys, we are strapped sooo hard right now. Our GM has made solid moves. End of story

[mcdougal]

I'm surprised the Panthers didn't draft any offensive weapons because Cam was asked to do it all last year. A lot of people have the perception that Cam had an off year; that he had a sophomore slump and that was far from the case. His numbers were almost identical to last year. Cam threw for 3,800 (4,000 last year) yards, 57% completion (60% last year) , 19 passing TDs (21 last year) and 12 interceptions (17 last year). He just got lost in all the Rg3, Wilson, and Luck hype. Also not to mention Cam was the best RB on his team as well. Cam led his team in rushing yards (741) and rushing TDs (8). That's a lot to ask from your QB. Outside of that though, the Panthers offense was very one dimensional and the play calling was simply horrible. Even with that said, the Panthers did pretty well down the stretch. They won their last 4 games and finished 7-9. Also, an interesting fact is that the Panthers lost 7 of their games by a TD or less. So that shows that they were in a lot of games. Some of those loses happened because of freak plays, horrible play calling, basically things that can be cleaned up next season.

 

The Panthers decided to go defense in the first two rounds which implies that they will rely on Cam pretty heavy again this season (running backs have to step it up big time). The Panthers already have a rising star in Luke Kuechly who will become a top LB in this league for years to come. With Luke in the middle, Charles Johnson & Greg Hardy on the ends with Star and Short, Carolinas front 7 might be a problem. Granted they need a CB, it's a start. 

 

They seem to be building for the future and went defense first. Hopefully, Steve Smith will be around next year for you guys and the Panthers address offense in the draft. The Panthers may be the under dogs but I wouldn't sleep on them. Sky can be the limit with Cam Newton as your QB. Hopefully he makes a few strides in maturity this coming season. Outside of that though, you couldn't ask for a more talented franchise QB. And this is coming from an Eagles fan.

 

If Cam can reproduce those numbers this season...he has more than done his part. It is time for this defense that we dumped practically all of our resources in since Cam got here to start producing like a top 5 defense.

[Razeyfingers]

If Cam can reproduce those numbers this season...he has more than done his part. It is time for this defense that we dumped practically all of our resources in since Cam got here to start producing like a top 5 defense.

 

tranquilo tranquilo my man, DT's take time to mold. We'll be good this year if we're healthy but idk about top 5 yet. The secondary is a rag tag bunch so we'll have to see if that ends with disaster or dominance first.

[Razeyfingers]

I think Gettlemen's drafts will have a much heavier GM slant to them. Background simply dictating it. Plus, he comes in with a vision of how to build a team and voiced it....and his draft followed it. He even had Rivera kinda oddly being a hogmollies sound bite after the draft.

Yeah that he did. I wonder if the 4th round was that round Rivera referenced with the "we had our arguments" comment in the post draft presser.

 

And yeah, from the comments Gettlemen made in his first presser, it seems like his old boss was more of a "Im the man here" kind of guy in terms of who does the picking and choosing. He made it sound like he listened to input but ultimately it was his call. I wonder if his experience in that environment will make him more like that or less like that, but I would agree that he is probably. . more or less like that.

[Frank Hollywood]

I've always considered wide receiver our THIRD biggest need behind defensive tackle and o-line. I still do.

It seems a lot of the people complaining don't understand two things.

1. This isn't going to be a one year fix. Two years, most likely three before we are where getlle wants us.

2. You all can't see his big picture, or are too impatient to wait long enough for it to come together. He's addressing needs through the draft while filling other needs through free agency. If he can't fix a need due to lack of 1.talent 2. Draft picks 3. Cap space then he patches it with a band aid in the meantime. WR and our secondary have decent band Aids applied as well as solving our biggest team weakness, DT, and turning it into a strength. Look for this to continue in 2013 and 2014 where he will rip off those band aids and fix the boo-boo all together.

[Kakarot]

"Rome wasn't built in a day".  We know, we know....been hearing that saying for years now with this team.

 

I agree with Mcdougal, in that, with all the resources we've put into the defense these past couple years, and the two early draft picks we spent on DT, this defense should be top 5-10 now.  They've gotta carry us this season, don't want to hear anybody complaining about the offense this year when so many were in favor of the picking of 2 DT's.  If Cam Newton and the offense put up 24+ points, then we should win everytime.  No more of those defensive blunders at the end of games that the defense was notorious for.  Star and Kawaan need to show immediate impact, since most in here were so against developing a WR alongside Smitty.