Gettlemen continues to get criticism for not bringing in a WR

[rayzor]

You certainly are not the only fan lacking faith in this organization Rayzor. I share a lot of your thoughts. However we can choose to be cautiously optimistic and keeping a real perspective or we can wallow in misery.

I did want a WR in this draft, but honestly with how many guys we have that will be getting touches this year can you really say that tossing another rookie wideout into the mix would solve all our problems there this season?

 

it's not about giving cam more choices. it's about giving cam better choices....better targets. players who can do more with the touches they get than who we have. crap...players who can make themselves better targets for touches than what we have.

 

how can anyone not want that? how can anyone say that he doesn't need better choices? how can anyone say that there aren't/weren't better choices available than what we have on the roster?

 

the fact that they looked at so many is a sign that they weren't satisfied with who they have. the fact that they went out and got ginn and hixon is a sign that they weren't satisfied with who they had on the roster. there was room for improvement. they made some. there is still more room for it.

 

i like that he brought in ginn and hixon. i like that he drafted another great target out of the backfield in barner. i hope that's enough. i hope a better D and better return game is enough. i hope a healthy OL is enough.

 

btw, who is saying that a WR would solve all our problems? i'm just wanting to get better. we could have gotten better receiving options for cam, but we didn't. they were there and we did something else.

 

would we have benefitted from adding another solid receiving option to the corps of receivers? absolutely....and they were there.

 

i'm not sure i agree with your suggestion that "a real perspective" is being "cautiously optimistic".

 

i've been cautiously optimistic for years and it finally ran out. nothing but seeing results will do anymore. a more "real perspective" would be one that took into consideration that this team has done nothing but failed to produce even a winning season for years. they start off with giving reason to hope but they fail to deliver. i don't know about anyone else, but i'm tired of failure. i think it's time fans held them to a higher standard and a higher level of expectation. no more hoping that this year is the year they finally get their crap together and trying to have a bunch of warm fuzzies about this team. if they want fans to believe they can win...they need to prove it.

[Mr. Scot]

Beason for Britt?  Sorry.  Can't get behind that at all :unsure:

[TheRed]

it's not about giving cam more choices. it's about giving cam better choices....better targets. players who can do more with the touches they get than who we have. crap...players who can make themselves better targets for touches than what we have.

how can anyone not want that? how can anyone say that he doesn't need better choices? how can anyone say that there aren't/weren't better choices available than what we have on the roster?

the fact that they looked at so many is a sign that they weren't satisfied with who they have. the fact that they went out and got ginn and hixon is a sign that they weren't satisfied with who they had on the roster. there was room for improvement. they made some. there is still more room for it.

i like that he brought in ginn and hixon. i like that he drafted another great target out of the backfield in barner. i hope that's enough. i hope a better D and better return game is enough. i hope a healthy OL is enough.

btw, who is saying that a WR would solve all our problems? i'm just wanting to get better. we could have gotten better receiving options for cam, but we didn't. they were there and we did something else.

would we have benefitted from adding another solid receiving option to the corps of receivers? absolutely....and they were there.

i'm not sure i agree with your suggestion that "a real perspective" is being "cautiously optimistic".

i've been cautiously optimistic for years and it finally ran out. nothing but seeing results will do anymore. a more "real perspective" would be one that took into consideration that this team has done nothing but failed to produce even a winning season for years. they start off with giving reason to hope but they fail to deliver. i don't know about anyone else, but i'm tired of failure. i think it's time fans held them to a higher standard and a higher level of expectation. no more hoping that this year is the year they finally get their crap together and trying to have a bunch of warm fuzzies about this team. if they want fans to believe they can win...they need to prove it.

Pretty much everything you said I agree with. I just don't have the time or energy to be pissed off about the Panthers 24/7 anymore.

Our staff is paid to evaluate talent, and they did so on many receivers. Yet we drafted none. Clearly they didn't want just another camp body.

[Mr. Scot]

Worth remembering the roster isn't actually a finished product right now.

 

Still a lot of offseason to go and anything can happen.

 

Heck, nobody would have predicted getting Dwan Edwards late last year.

[CRA]

Pretty much everything you said I agree with. I just don't have the time or energy to be pissed off about the Panthers 24/7 anymore.

Our staff is paid to evaluate talent, and they did so on many receivers. Yet we drafted none. Clearly they didn't want just another camp body.

but is the stance that bc they didn't draft postion X in rounds 1 or 2 actually proof they didn't think a WR or TE couldn't come in and start soon?

or possibly just a sign of Gettlemen's preference at positions?

All coaches and GMs IMO have faults of their own....they are human. As we get to know Gettlemen he will eventually show there are some aspects he probably over values and maybe will neglect others. That isn't a knock on him...that holds true for about everyone. Issue with Hurney was his preferences drastically didnt fit the game today

[La Pantera]

I may be wrong, but I'm quite sure Beason could sign a new contract that is more trade friendly

Why would he? He could stand pat, collect his money this year. And next year when/if he's cut, he can go to whatever team he chooses.

[Mr. Scot]

We know Gettleman believes in "touchdown scorers".  We also know he doesn't believe in reaching for need.

 

My take on the draft is that they went by their board as far as who they thought was BPA.

 

Likely still some tinkering yet to come.

[Gin and Juice]

Beason for Britt?  Sorry.  Can't get behind that at all :unsure:

why? Let's be honest, we are no longer in need of Beason's true skill set any longer

[TheRed]

but is the stance that bc they didn't draft postion X in rounds 1 or 2 actually proof they didn't think a WR or TE couldn't come in and start soon?

or possibly just a sign of Gettlemen's preference at positions?

All coaches and GMs IMO have faults of their own....they are human. As we get to know Gettlemen he will eventually show there are some aspects he probably over values and maybe will neglect others.

These are questions that are impossible for us to have to the answers for yet.

Faults? I don't know about you but I haven't seen what our draft board looked like.

[ladypanther]

The Panthers have a real football guy who is known as a great talent evaluator as GM. I say we give him the benefit of the doubt and see how that works out.  He said in one of his first interviews was that his job was to make everyone better. I am counting on Ron being his primary focus.  

 

Also am hoping that Shula will have a better game plan than Chud. Based on the results in the last half of last year, I think that is very likely.  Cam needs to work on his touch on short passes and check downs. I think the offense will be good this year.  ST was improved, the D was improved. There is a lot of talent on this team.

 

I predict we are going to love Gettleman.

 

 

[AceBoogie]

I don't understand what more Gettlemen could have done!

We brought in Tedd Ginn Jr and Dominique Hixon to compete

We have Steve Smith and Brandon LaFell returning

Ghettis may be healthy enough to compete

Armanti Edwards, Lamont Bryant, Joe Adams, and Kealoha Pilares will all be battling it out in the preseason.

If you ask me, this position feels deeper than it has in the last 5 years!!! We have drafted five wideouts over the last three seasons! Time to see these young guns put up or get shipped off!

He could have gotten some long term help at the position. Nobody we have right now is a long term solution.

[Leeroy Jenkins PhD]

He could have gotten some long term help at the position. Nobody we have right now is a long term solution.

 

Where was the starting WR talent in this years draft?  This draft was very weak at the WR position.  The first receiver off the board was Tavon Austin! A 5'8" 174 pound slot receiver.The WR class of 2013 lacked any clear standout talent, and the group didn't have the depth to stretch into the 4th round.  There was no Julio Jones, no A.J. Green.

 

As for free agency, was 28 year old Dwayne Bowe the answer for the future?  How about 27 year old Mike Wallace? Or 29 year old Greg Jennings, 32 year old Wes Welker, 27 year old Amendola, 32 year old Brandon Lloyd? 

 

FA sure isn't the "long term solution" nor could we afford any of them!

 

So, where is this long term help supposed to come from?  I have an idea, lets allow the plethora of youthful talent we have at the position learn to play WR.  Our best chance at a long term solution this offseason is going to have to come from the roster.

[CRA]

Where was the starting WR talent in this years draft? This draft was very weak at the WR position. The first receiver off the board was Tavon Austin! A 5'8" 174 pound slot receiver.The WR class of 2013 lacked any clear standout talent, and the group didn't have the depth to stretch into the 4th round. There was no Julio Jones, no A.J. Green.

As for free agency, was 28 year old Dwayne Bowe the answer for the future? How about 27 year old Mike Wallace? Or 29 year old Greg Jennings, 32 year old Wes Welker, 27 year old Amendola, 32 year old Brandon Lloyd?

FA sure isn't the "long term solution" nor could we afford any of them!

So, where is this long term help supposed to come from? I have an idea, lets allow the plethora of youthful talent we have at the position learn to play WR. Our best chance at a long term solution is most likely already on the roster.

Up until we didnt draft one.....most agreed with the masses that WR and S where two spots this draft had plenty of. We don't draft one and now it was weak?

A draft class doesn't have to have a Megatron to not be weak.

[Leeroy Jenkins PhD]

Up until we didnt draft one.....most agreed with the masses that WR and S where two spots this draft had plenty of. We don't draft one and now it was weak?

A draft class doesn't have to have a Megatron to not be weak.

 

I thought it was common knowledge that this draft class was weak at WR.  Any information to the contrary would be news to me.  However, I will see if there is any credible analysis on the subject.  I thought it was a given......

 

Give me a few mins to look.