How will Mike Shula change our offense?

[mcdougal]

I know we will have to average at least 26 points per game to have a respectable season.  All the teams that  were averaging 26 points made the playoffs with the exception of New Orleans and the Giants.We averaged 22 points per game so yes I am worried about our offense..No team under about 23 points made the playoffs.

 

Shula is going to have to make changes to increase our points per game.One place we need to improve is we only scored 1.6 TD's from the red zone so either we are not getting to the red zone or we are not scoring when we get there.Atlanta scored 26,3 points per game but were scoring 2,2 TDs per game from the redzone. That almost covers our differential in points per game

 

Furthermore our passing attempts was 26th in the league and were around 20th in time of procession.

 

The bottom line is we were surviving on big plays and need to improve our short and intermediate passing game coupled with a successful running game.

 

My question is can Shula bring that to the table ? Has Gettlemen provided us with the talent necessary to score 26 points per game?

 

 

To answer you question. No Gettlemen has not. We can forget about 26 points per game. He has provide us with a defense that should hold teams to under 17 points.

 

I would expect ATL to put up those kinds of numbers because look at their draft history and free agents since ryan got there. Offense. Offense.

 

There is an recognition that Falcons are an offensive team, expected to put up elite offensive numbers...so what does the team do...Trade away their draft to get elite offensive prospects.

 

 

 

You as an organization go defensive heavy like we have 3 years since Newton and you are expecting to win on Defense. 

 

Unless our office is turning over the Ball...putting up 22 points should be enough...

 

Cam just needs to be as productive as Alex Smith last two seasons and our defense should be able to hold.

 

But it seems like on the Huddle, folks expect the offense to be explosive when the front office is clearly thinking defensive and drafting as such.

 

Then when we put on 23 points...we get..."why not 30?"

[Zod]

Don't get all pissy.

It is not our fault that 90% of the predictions you make on here have been wrong.

Tells lame joke

Gets called out

Cries

[jarhead]

Overall, Carolina has been a good redzone team under Newton.

 

Issue is, we rarely get there in the 2nd half of games IMO

 

 

You correct we are 9th in the league in percentage (TDs only) and 23rd in attempts.

[rayzor]

I know we will have to average at least 26 points per game to have a respectable season.  All the teams that  were averaging 26 points made the playoffs with the exception of New Orleans and the Giants.We averaged 22 points per game so yes I am worried about our offense..No team under about 23 points made the playoffs.

 

Shula is going to have to make changes to increase our points per game.One place we need to improve is we only scored 1.6 TD's from the red zone so either we are not getting to the red zone or we are not scoring when we get there.Atlanta scored 26,3 points per game but were scoring 2,2 TDs per game from the redzone. That almost covers our differential in points per game

 

Furthermore our passing attempts was 26th in the league and were around 20th in time of procession.

 

The bottom line is we were surviving on big plays and need to improve our short and intermediate passing game coupled with a successful running game.

 

My question is can Shula bring that to the table ? Has Gettlemen provided us with the talent necessary to score 26 points per game?

this for me is a big area of doubt. i doubt he'd be even able to get us where we were with chud.

 

is he going to be aggressive? is he going to have a high octane/fast paced offense? are we going to be making quick adjustments to adjustments made to contain what we're doing? are we going to be able to get on the board early and often?

 

or are we going to be slow/methodical, old school keep the ball on the ground and try to control the clock and rely on the defense keeping the score low hoping that they can keep the other team from scoring more than 2 TDs because that's all we manage to do?

 

i really hope my perception of him is wrong because i really don't want another losing season and see talent wasted another year just so the coaching staff can have their "consistency".

[MadHatter]

Be careful he may get this one right. My guess is Zod is judging him based on his body of work.Being Cams qb coach and being a play calling OC are require different skill sets.

 

Bottom line none of us know it is all speculation at this point

 

He is actually judging him based on what he did in Tampa.....over 12 years ago.

 

I am more of a wait and see guy sprinkled with some optimism.

[rayzor]

To answer you question. No Gettlemen has not. We can forget about 26 points per game. He has provide us with a defense that should hold teams to under 17 points.

 

I would expect ATL to put up those kinds of numbers because look at their draft history and free agents since ryan got there. Offense. Offense.

 

There is an recognition that Falcons are an offensive team, expected to put up elite offensive numbers...so what does the team do...Trade away their draft to get elite offensive prospects.

 

 

 

You as an organization go defensive heavy like we have 3 years since Newton and you are expecting to win on Defense. 

 

Unless our office is turning over the Ball...putting up 22 points should be enough...

 

Cam just needs to be as productive as Alex Smith last two seasons and our defense should be able to hold.

 

But it seems like on the Huddle, folks expect the offense to be explosive when the front office is clearly thinking defensive and drafting as such.

 

Then when we put on 23 points...we get..."why not 30?"

 

you have to be able to put more points on the board than the other team. that's just the way it is. your offense has to be able to outscore your opponents. they have to be prolific.

 

if you are counting on your defense to save your anemic offense that can't put up 25-30 points on the board week in and week out then more than likely you're going to be sitting at home at the end of the year watching the teams that "get it" rack up big scores to move them onto the next level.

 

the offense has to be explosive and your defense has to be stout.

 

[MadHatter]

Tells lame joke

Gets called out

Cries

 

Makes judgements based on 12 years ago

 

Gets questioned on it

 

Whines like a little girl

 

 

You have posted no less than 50 times saying the same thing....Shula's offense was stagnant in Tampa 12 YEARS AGO with Dilfer/King at QB and Anthony as their top WR.

 

 

[jarhead]

To answer you question. No Gettlemen has not. We can forget about 26 points per game. He has provide us with a defense that should hold teams to under 17 points.

 

I would expect ATL to put up those kinds of numbers because look at their draft history and free agents since ryan got there. Offense. Offense.

 

There is an recognition that Falcons are an offensive team, expected to put up elite offensive numbers...so what does the team do...Trade away their draft to get elite offensive prospects.

 

 

 

You as an organization go defensive heavy like we have 3 years since Newton and you are expecting to win on Defense. 

 

Unless our office is turning over the Ball...putting up 22 points should be enough...

 

Cam just needs to be as productive as Alex Smith last two seasons and our defense should be able to hold.

 

But it seems like on the Huddle, folks expect the offense to be explosive when the front office is clearly thinking defensive and drafting as such.

 

Then when we put on 23 points...we get..."why not 30?"

 

 

I am just going by last year numbers.....the closer you get to 26 points the better chance you make the playoffs The Vikings were the lowest scoring team that made the playoffs with right at 23 points per game

[rayzor]

Be careful he may get this one right. My guess is Zod is judging him based on his body of work.Being Cams qb coach and being a play calling OC are require different skill sets.

 

Bottom line none of us know it is all speculation at this point

 

what do we have to go on? that is the question.

 

what evidence is there that he's gotten better?

 

he's a great QB coach.

 

you can hope that translates to being a good OC. you can hope that he's gotten better as a play caller and in-game decision maker...but it's just hope without evidence to support that he's gotten better in that regard. it's baseless.

 

i don't doubt the cam and rivera's faith in shula. i don't doubt they really like him. i just haven't seen anything to back up the idea that he's gotten better at it when he hasn't had any experience at all with it since tampa and alabama.

[CarolinaCoolin]

To answer you question. No Gettlemen has not. We can forget about 26 points per game. He has provide us with a defense that should hold teams to under 17 points.

I would expect ATL to put up those kinds of numbers because look at their draft history and free agents since ryan got there. Offense. Offense.

There is an recognition that Falcons are an offensive team, expected to put up elite offensive numbers...so what does the team do...Trade away their draft to get elite offensive prospects.

You as an organization go defensive heavy like we have 3 years since Newton and you are expecting to win on Defense.

Unless our office is turning over the Ball...putting up 22 points should be enough...

Cam just needs to be as productive as Alex Smith last two seasons and our defense should be able to hold.

But it seems like on the Huddle, folks expect the offense to be explosive when the front office is clearly thinking defensive and drafting as such.

Then when we put on 23 points...we get..."why not 30?"

I think gettleman wants to build us like the 49ers with kaep. There's room for a great defense and an offense that can put up numbers

[rayzor]

You have posted no less than 50 times saying the same thing....Shula's offense was stagnant in Tampa 12 YEARS AGO with Dilfer/King at QB and Anthony as their top WR.

 

what evidence is there that things have changed? where is the evidence that he wasn't part of the problem? where is the record of success as a play caller? where is any trace of evidence showing that he can do the job successfully? where are the signs of growth?

 

[rayzor]

I think gettleman wants to build us like the 49ers with kaep. There's room for a great defense and an offense that can put up numbers

 

i hope so. balance is the key. defense that can squash. offense that can pile the points on the board.

 

you have to have both.

 

[CRA]

what evidence is there that things have changed? where is the evidence that he wasn't part of the problem? where is the record of success as a play caller? where is any trace of evidence showing that he can do the job successfully? where are the signs of growth?

I know it is nuts...he goes on and on and on. He is almost as bad as that guy that keeps going on and on and on about Williams and having too many RBs.

[Woodie]

again, what evidence is there that he didn't suck in tampa or alabama? what evidence is there that he's gotten better?

 

I'll wait......not really bc i know it can't be done. and it can't be done until he has a success as a playcaller of any kind instead of excuses for why both experiences as a play caller sucked and why no one has hired him or really even tried to hire him to do the job again.

Actually, he had a pretty good running game down in Tampa, the problem was that the offense was not balanced do to less than stellar QB and receivers, thus was conservative out of necessity.  Now, blame can be placed on whomever you want, but can you provide any evidence that it was due to Shula's philosophies and not Dungy's?  Nope, didn't think so.  What we do know is that Dungy had a very similar philosophy to John Fox (it had been discussed quite a bit during Fox's tenure as well as during the flirtation with Dungy as Fox's replacement).  In fact, Dungy himself has said that he set the tone for his team, and I think it's a pretty safe bet that offense was included.  And it was obvious to even the most casual football fan that his focus was to have a dominant defense and not have the offense lose it.  So I tend to think that Shula was only carrying out Dungy's marching orders, not running the offense the exact way he wanted.

 

As for 'bama, you do realize that he was hired just after the school had been hammered by NCAA sanctions and the team was in serious turmoil.  Also, they lost several key players from the previous years' team, so his talent cupboard was pretty bare.  And despite all of this he consistently improved the team every year (4-9 -> 6-6 -> 10-2) until they fell off in year four to 6-6 and he was let go.  So it's not like he was a miserable HC that didn't have a clue and wasn't able to show any improvement in his team.  and I know you realize that the responsibilities of a HC are significantly different than those of an OC, so using his stint as a HC against him to vindicate your dislike of him as our choice for OC is pretty unfair.

 

To be clear, I am not blindly endorsing Shula as some mastermind that will turn this offense into the next great thing.  But what I am saying is that there were mitigating circumstances to both of his coaching stints to let me reserve judgement until I see what he actually does with the offensive talent we have.  Also, I am a believer that he has learned something during those times and in the years since...particularly the last two working directly with Cam and under a more aggressive coach in Chud.