How will Mike Shula change our offense?

[Who Said What?]

And how did you draw this conclusion? You went and watched the games? Witnessed the play calling?

 

Or did you read a few articles with teal colored glasses?

 

Listen, you are being overly optimistic and putting as positive a spin on it as possible. I get it. Thats what fans do. I wish I could do that.

 

Its just harder for me to do having actually witnessed his god awful play calling for numerous years.

 

I watched plenty of Tampa Bay's games and I am a huge Dungy fan for is off the field endeavors.  He is ultra-conservative and only allowed the offense to open up in Indy because of Peyton Manning.  Do you not remember Baltimore winning games 10-3 when Dilfer was their QB?  Shula had nothing in Tampa except Dunn and Alstott.  Dungy wanted to play good D and minimize turnovers.  Dungy had complete control and Shula's playcalling along with good defense kept them in the playoffs year after year.  We might have to deal with minimal 400yd games and less read option, but I think most fans are cool with that.

[Zod]

Dungy had complete control and Shula's playcalling

 

Completely false.

 

Shula called the plays from up in the box.

[CRA]

Completely false.

Shula called the plays from up in the box.

Do you think John Fox dictated the type gameplan Davidson called from up in the box? Or do you think Davidson could draw up anything offense and call up a game anyway he wanted.

Do you think on 3rd and long Fox encouraged the play be called....be a draw or was that all Davidson

[Who Said What?]

Completely false.

 

Shula called the plays from up in the box.

 

So now coaches in the box have complete sovreignty over play-calling in contrast to coaches on the field.  Dungy in no way could get in contact with Shula cause he was all the way in the box huh?  Hold on while I re-evaluate my argument.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

My worry is our ability to put together sustained drives.I love big plays but feel we will need to me multi dimensional to finish these games.I do not see cam having the quick release that Brees has to just pass it down the entire field.Our running game/short passing game needs to be effective for this offense to work .

 

That's a fair concern, and Cam has struggled on some short/intermediate throws, and our run game has been inconsistent in the same area. But I would hope that an offense that focuses more on those types of plays instead of constantly looking for the 30 yard chunk play will be more compentent at it. I thought that Cam made some strides as things went along this season with the check down/ intermediate play and hopefully that is a sign of growth in his game because he will need that to be a great NFL QB.

[teeray]

The offense isn't broken so hopefully he won't "fix it"

[CRA]

The offense isn't broken so hopefully he won't "fix it"

Exactly. Situational playcalling and Cam simply continuing to improve is what we need most

[RoaringRiot]

Completely false.

 

Shula called the plays from up in the box.

 

Dungy still controlled the game plan, the offensive philosophy, and what set of plays were acceptable to run in certain situations.  Shula did not make these decisions on his own.  

 

I agree that Shula is the best of what we could do on a 1-year contract and I'm a little concern because of his lack of success and experience.  But saying he failed with ample talent is completely inaccurate .   

[rayzor]

so where's the evidence that shula isn't horrible for those defending him saying that it wasn't his fault the offense was bad in tampa.....and in bama?

 

the word of current co-workers? the fact that he wasn't hired because he was the most talented, but because he was the most familiar?

 

seems like a whole lot of excuse making going on for his failures as a play caller....and btw, there wasn't a whole lot of difference in his offense between tampa and bama...problems were all still pretty much the same.

 

too many excuses have been made for subpar coaching and decision making over the years. aren't you all tired of making excuses?

[TheRumGone]

I'm just glad Zod is saying Shula will suck because since I've been around this board everything that happens is the opposite of what Zod says.  Thanks Zod!

[TheRumGone]

so where's the evidence that shula isn't horrible for those defending him saying that it wasn't his fault the offense was bad in tampa.....and in bama?

 

the word of current co-workers? the fact that he wasn't hired because he was the most talented, but because he was the most familiar?

 

seems like a whole lot of excuse making going on for his failures as a play caller....and btw, there wasn't a whole lot of difference in his offense between tampa and bama...problems were all still pretty much the same.

 

too many excuses have been made for subpar coaching and decision making over the years. aren't you all tired of making excuses?

 

This is the bottom line for me. If you think Shula is gonna be run, run, pass with Cam, you must be smoking that Pineapple Express. Situational play calling is what I want to see from him. No use crying over spilled milk when there is no spilled milk yet.

[MadHatter]

Shula had Warrick Dunn (1st rounder, pro bowler) Mike Alstott (pro bowler) Trent Dilfer (1st rounder, pro bowler), stout offensive line, WR Reidel Anthony (1st rounder) AND a Defense that gave them the ball back after numerous 3 and outs. Tampa Bay invested plenty in offensive talent.

 

Was it a lack of talent or an inability to utilize and develop the talent given? As someone that watched every single game it is my opinion it is the latter.

 

But go ahead and dig up some old stats because those tell you the whole story, right?

 

You are using Dilfer and Anthony as evidence of formidable offensive weapons?  LOL

 

They may have been 1st rounders...but they were anything but true offensive weapons.

[MadHatter]

What was the alternative bc no good o coordinators wanted to sign a 1 yr contract.

Not true.....both of the other candidates said they would have taken the job if it were offered to them.

[Growl]

I'm just hoping he retires before the season starts.