How will Mike Shula change our offense?

[TheRed]

Can we atleast allow Shula to be OC for a few games before we have him executed?

[Tom]

For those who prefer to remain optimistic about Shula, keep in mind that he was the QB coach in Jacksonville for 4 years where he worked under their OC Dirk Koetter, now the OC of the Falcons. Koetter's got a pretty good offensive mind, he was head coach of Boise State when they first became an offensive powerhouse in the late 90's. Between Koetter and Chud, Shula has had plenty of opportunity to learn and develop. 

[rayzor]

For those who prefer to remain optimistic about Shula, keep in mind that he was the QB coach in Jacksonville for 4 years where he worked under their OC Dirk Koetter, now the OC of the Falcons. Koetter's got a pretty good offensive mind, he was head coach of Boise State when they first became an offensive powerhouse in the late 90's. Between Koetter and Chud, Shula has had plenty of opportunity to learn and develop. 

i hope he has.

[MadHatter]

Yes, because providing legitimate reasons why I feel this way is "whining like a little girl."

You need to toughen your skin up a bit. Poke jabs at people then wet yourself when the same is done to you.

Your reasons are what he did 12 years ago with an offense that is not nearly as talented as this one.

I believe and hold out hope that he has learned from the last few seasons about what works with Cam....keeping a ton of that and supplementing it with a power running game.

As for toughening up my skin...what a joke. You are the one that throws jabs and insults...then acts all pissy when someone jabs back at you.

For instance....someone posted a jab at you about the site going down. And what do you do? You told him to go fug himself and showed zero restraint or professionalism.

So, you should look in the mirror...you Di exactly what you accused me of doing.

And quite frankly...your jabs at me are nothing more than comical. Don't flatter yourself thinking that they are ant more impirtant than a quiet fart on the wind.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming.

[MadHatter]

i'd argue that it needs balance so it'll be even more effective.

No wholesale changes though.

I don't think he will make drastic changes. Keep what works and supplement it with some power rushing as well.

Keep the defense guessing and be more balanced.

It was ironic that with Chud trying to be cute and creative, he actually became overly predictable.

[Chief Keek]

As long as he doesn't come out the gate trying the Triple Reverse Razzle Dazzle Fumblerooski out the gate like Chud was at the beginning of the year and just run the ball, he will already be starting off on the right foot.

 

 

[panthers55]

This whole Shula is going to suck because he did a decade ago in Tampa is paranoid at best and ridiculous. Shula knew that  Chud was going to be gone as did everyone else.  He worked hard to learn everything he could and develop Cam as best he could.  Obviously he did a great job given that he was clearly the best man for the job not only for continuity purposes but he knew the offense the best and had the best gameplan about moving it forward according to Rivera whose job depends on how Shula does. This is not making the best of a bad situation but rather picking the guy who can do the best job and who has the best knowledge of how to work with Cam and get the most out of him.

I was listening to Rich Gannon on NFl sirius, who knows a little about being and developing a great quarterback, and he was saying that  changing schemes with a young quarterback was a huge mistake.  He said a big part of what makes Brady so great was being in the same scheme which he knows like the back of his hand both from his own team's abilities and how to break down a defense.  Because he has done it for 13 years, he can be instinctive and not even have to think about it.

He talked about how changing coordinators ruined Bradford and hurt guys like Alex Smith.

 

Rivera was smart enough to know that Cam could have been hurt the same way.  By keeping Shula who will keep the same scheme, it allows Cam to continue to develop and become more instinctive and automatic which will help him play faster and be more productive.   The offense will stay productive because of Shula and his ability to get the most out of Cam.  The last thing we needed was a change of system or coordinators.

 

This whole Shula will suck paranoia is rooted in the distant past.  This offense has nothing in common with what Shula ran in Tampa or in Alabama.  Shula has had to learn a great deal in the past 2 years and is intimately involved in this offense.  He knew that chud would be gone and has prepared for the past year for this opportunity. This is not the best of a bad situation but a great opportunity to develop this offense and make it even better as Cam shows the ability to grow and expand with it.  Frankly I am pretty excited and look forward to being right once again.  

 

All the chicken littles make me laugh as they run around trying to find ancient history to throw against the wall hoping something sticks...

[MadHatter]

This whole Shula is going to suck because he did a decade ago in Tampa is paranoid at best and ridiculous. Shula knew that Chud was going to be gone as did everyone else. He worked hard to learn everything he could and develop Cam as best he could. Obviously he did a great job given that he was clearly the best man for the job not only for continuity purposes but he knew the offense the best and had the best gameplan about moving it forward according to Rivera whose job depends on how Shula does. This is not making the best of a bad situation but rather picking the guy who can do the best job and who has the best knowledge of how to work with Cam and get the most out of him.

I was listening to Rich Gannon on NFl sirius, who knows a little about being and developing a great quarterback, and he was saying that changing schemes with a young quarterback was a huge mistake. He said a big part of what makes Brady so great was being in the same scheme which he knows like the back of his hand both from his own team's abilities and how to break down a defense. Because he has done it for 13 years, he can be instinctive and not even have to think about it.

He talked about how changing coordinators ruined Bradford and hurt guys like Alex Smith.

Rivera was smart enough to know that Cam could have been hurt the same way. By keeping Shula who will keep the same scheme, it allows Cam to continue to develop and become more instinctive and automatic which will help him play faster and be more productive. The offense will stay productive because of Shula and his ability to get the most out of Cam. The last thing we needed was a change of system or coordinators.

This whole Shula will suck paranoia is rooted in the distant past. This offense has nothing in common with what Shula ran in Tampa or in Alabama. Shula has had to learn a great deal in the past 2 years and is intimately involved in this offense. He knew that chud would be gone and has prepared for the past year for this opportunity. This is not the best of a bad situation but a great opportunity to develop this offense and make it even better as Cam shows the ability to grow and expand with it. Frankly I am pretty excited and look forward to being right once again.

All the chicken littles make me laugh as they run around trying to find ancient history to throw against the wall hoping something sticks...

Amen brother

[ozzy1023]

I think he’s going to bring it back to ground and pound with a little cam option flavor flave in there. Barner in the slot, Smitty on the outside d-will and j stew on the right and left of Cam. God Bless. 

[teeray]

I think people are going to be surprised at how much we improved our offense through the draft

[CarolinaCoolin]

i hope so. balance is the key. defense that can squash. offense that can pile the points on the board.

you have to have both.

So many people on here think it has to be one way or the other. The ultimate goal is to have a complete team. I think gettleman is just starting with d to make that happen. Cam and an offense that put up numbers will always go together. It's just what he does

[CRA]

oh, regarding that "talent makes the coach" thing? partly true, but just as true is coaching brings the talent out of the talent. you can have a talented roster, but bad coaching and management, you'll have a losing team or least one that isn't reaching it's potential. you can't throw just some old guy in there and let talent do it's thing. you can't take a bad coach or even an average coach and make that roster fly. you have to be able to have a good plan and be able to manage resources the right way and you've got to get the players to buy into what you're doing. thinking otherwise is just naivete.

Name a team without a huge glaring weakness in talent....that has lost 2 seasons in a row?

Jim Caldwell says hi...

Coaching IMO separates the postseason teams. Talent IMO determines who goes to the postseason.

Look at our 2008 squad. That was Jeff Davidson and Fox. We won bc of talent....specifically RBs and Steve Smith going beastmode. Davidson was calling the same poo that had people bitching the next couple years.

[Woodie]

It wasn't that the offense was conservative. It was that the offense was 100% completely predictable.

I'm fine with conservative if it works. But it didn't work, and he couldn't get it working. Thus, the GM stepped in and fired him.

 

It was predictable because they didn't have the talent to do anything but run the ball.  And the fact that the GM had to step in is a pretty good indicator that it wasn't so much Shula as Dungy dictating the offense.

 

With that said, I also feel that Shula probably wasn't ready to be an OC at that time, but I have a pretty good hunch that's why he got the job...Dungy wanted an OC that would do what he wanted, no questions asked.

 

And to be quite honest, it is silly to think that Shula hasn't learned anything since then to better prepare him to be an OC this time around.  But to be fair, we also don't know if he's learned enough to be what we want him to be, so it makes much more sense to take a wait and see approach as opposed to a sky is falling one until he has a chance to actually show it on the field.

[rayzor]

This whole Shula is going to suck because he did a decade ago in Tampa is paranoid at best and ridiculous. Shula knew that  Chud was going to be gone as did everyone else.  He worked hard to learn everything he could and develop Cam as best he could.  Obviously he did a great job given that he was clearly the best man for the job not only for continuity purposes but he knew the offense the best and had the best gameplan about moving it forward according to Rivera whose job depends on how Shula does. This is not making the best of a bad situation but rather picking the guy who can do the best job and who has the best knowledge of how to work with Cam and get the most out of him.

I was listening to Rich Gannon on NFl sirius, who knows a little about being and developing a great quarterback, and he was saying that  changing schemes with a young quarterback was a huge mistake.  He said a big part of what makes Brady so great was being in the same scheme which he knows like the back of his hand both from his own team's abilities and how to break down a defense.  Because he has done it for 13 years, he can be instinctive and not even have to think about it.

He talked about how changing coordinators ruined Bradford and hurt guys like Alex Smith.

 

Rivera was smart enough to know that Cam could have been hurt the same way.  By keeping Shula who will keep the same scheme, it allows Cam to continue to develop and become more instinctive and automatic which will help him play faster and be more productive.   The offense will stay productive because of Shula and his ability to get the most out of Cam.  The last thing we needed was a change of system or coordinators.

 

This whole Shula will suck paranoia is rooted in the distant past.  This offense has nothing in common with what Shula ran in Tampa or in Alabama.  Shula has had to learn a great deal in the past 2 years and is intimately involved in this offense.  He knew that chud would be gone and has prepared for the past year for this opportunity. This is not the best of a bad situation but a great opportunity to develop this offense and make it even better as Cam shows the ability to grow and expand with it.  Frankly I am pretty excited and look forward to being right once again.  

 

All the chicken littles make me laugh as they run around trying to find ancient history to throw against the wall hoping something sticks...

hey, what's an argument without being a demeaning prick?

 

you made some decent points, but it seems like you're looking for a pissing contest and don't mind exaggerating a little to do it.

 

I've got honest concerns,  just like others, that he MIGHT suck....not will, but might suck based on the only history he has with the job. yeah, he should have gotten better. he should have become less predictable. he should have gotten better at making decisions. he should have gotten better at making quicker decisions and better adjustments, but is that being better going to be good enough? 

 

like i said before, i just wish we had hired someone better. i didn't like the idea of the hire when  it was just an idea and i didn't like it when it became official. I'm not going to like it just because it was the decision that was made. I'm not going to just blindly jump on board....i mean i might if this team had a better track record with coaches and showed it new how to be consistent winners, but that's not happening. the only thing that is going to change my mind is results. unfortunately i have to wait for that.  I'm not going to pretend to think any different and I'm not going to quit voicing my concerns when the subject comes up. if it's still a matter of discussion and up for debate, I'm going  to.