How will Mike Shula change our offense?

[La Pantera]

An offensive line that can make Alex Smith look good.

Their line is better. But the skill positions?

And if we can/did upgrade RG, we wouldn't be that far behind them.

[rayzor]

Keyshawn Johnson may have helped.

 

or keyshawn might have been just a footnote had shula been his OC.

 

what's more likely...one WR being the reason for a jump from worst in the league to 6th best?

 

or....

 

new OC being the reason for a jump from worst to 6th best?

 

[jarhead]

or keyshawn might have been just a footnote had shula been his OC.

 

what's more likely...one WR being the reason for a jump from worst in the league to 6th best?

 

or....

 

new OC being the reason for a jump from worst to 6th best?

 

 

 

Razor I have gone from being very concerned with our OC to panicked from your post.

[TheRumGone]

or keyshawn might have been just a footnote had shula been his OC.

 

what's more likely...one WR being the reason for a jump from worst in the league to 6th best?

 

or....

 

new OC being the reason for a jump from worst to 6th best?

 

 

When you are a one-dimensional team who suddenly has a dominant reciever like Keyshawn (8 tds in 2000) imagine what that opens up for the offense in general. Not just the running game but other recievers. We can debate this back and forth. What happens when Smitty goes down in this offense? Now imagine Trent Dilfer instead of Cam Newton.

[CRA]

He was winning with Bledsoe wasn't he?

No

2000- Bledsoe- 5-11

Brady was 2001- Superbowl

So the best coach in the NFL....was a constant loser until he landed talent. 5 losing seasons in 6 years...then Brady happened

[DaveThePanther2008]

Zod got your point but,

If you go by what happened the first time then why did the Pats hire Billicheat. Gary Tranquil, Rod Dowhower and our old boy Vinnie Testeverde were his QBs in Cleveland in 91-95.

Hopefully he learned something over the past 12 years. I realize the pessimism but some latitude should come as well. Shula comes from a pretty good football line. I would hope that dear old dad and him had a chat or two.

Going from the 2nd half of the season we averaged 26 points per game and went 5-3.

I believe Shula had a much bigger say in getting off the Read Option then most give him credit for.

Most importantly Chudz sucked at second half adjustments so Shula won't be a downgrade if he sucks too.

I am going to put my two cents in and say Shula had grown as a coach and will excell with Cam at QB.

[Zod]

Do you think belllicheat is the rule or the exception?

[CRA]

Do you think belllicheat is the rule or the exception?

I think the NFL is a talent driven league...

You give a coach talent....he looks good. You don't....he won't.

Shula had RBs in Tampa. He ran them.

Chud is the coach of the Browns for 1 reason. Cam Newton. Cam is the reason...he was the talent.

Does coaching matter in the NFL? Sure...but talent is more important than coaching IMO.

[Argus Plexus]

Lol Vinnie Greentesticles, almost forgot about him.

[pantherclaw]

The offense isn't broken so hopefully he won't "fix it"

i'd argue that it needs balance so it'll be even more effective.

No wholesale changes though.

[rayzor]

Razor I have gone from being very concerned with our OC to panicked from your post.

I'm not proud of that and i hope that our worst fears about the offense are proven to be unwarranted....but right now i just see a hire that was made not because he was the most talented guy or had the best track record, but because they liked him. I've seen a guy that has failed at his job running an offense twice ( i consider that offense at alabama his because he ran it) and got fired because of his inability to make his offense produce and then see it succeed after he left.

 

i believe in our players. i believe in our GM because he hasn't given me reason to doubt. i have very little faith in this coaching staff because i haven't seen rivera do anything but coach a losing team and I've never seen shula do anything but fail as a playcaller. they have to prove they can do the job. they haven't done that. they've only proven an inability to get the job done. 

 

right now we are trapped  this situation where  are relying on nothing more than hope that this year will be different, that we won't be a losing team and we're stuck with coaches that all we can do is hope they don't fail again at their job. that they can bring the best out in their players. I'm just tired of having hope without anything to base it on.

[AKPantherFan]

Well I think we can all agree that this time around Shula has little to no excuses. He'll even his dad was poo after Marino. Just sayin.

Cam has a lot left to learn but he has the potential to be one of the all time greats. Time will tell.

[rayzor]

When you are a one-dimensional team who suddenly has a dominant reciever like Keyshawn (8 tds in 2000) imagine what that opens up for the offense in general. Not just the running game but other recievers. We can debate this back and forth. What happens when Smitty goes down in this offense? Now imagine Trent Dilfer instead of Cam Newton.

last year for me it was imagine shula as OC instead of chud. i shuddered. i still am.

[rayzor]

oh, regarding that "talent makes the coach" thing? partly true, but just as true is coaching brings the talent out of the talent. you can have a talented roster, but bad coaching and management, you'll have a losing team or  least one that isn't reaching it's potential. you can't throw just some old guy in there and let talent do it's thing. you can't take a bad coach or even an average coach and make that roster fly. you  have to be able to have a good plan and be able to manage resources the right way and you've got to get the players to buy into what you're doing. thinking otherwise is just naivete.