Future Cap Space? Keeping our Core

[sml1950]

The new NFL is large star players contracts, rookie contracts and vets on one/two year contracts. After their 2nd contract, even name brand DEs/LTs still looking for teams at half their asking price. There is no middle class anymore. Even when the new TV deal kicks in, the cap is now not expected to rise commensurately. The better we get the more we will have to be like the Ravens/Steelers and get picks while letting players walk. It's the product of success. I rather hear the bitching of letting players walk because we are in the playoffs, than signing that player and be 8-8.

[Pantherman]

Cam will get his pay day, but that is after all the Beason/Stewart/Williams money is off the cap so no problem. 

 

Hardy is gone, enjoy him this season and and curse Hurney next year and be done with it. We will just not have the money to pay him. 

 

LaFell??? What is his place in this thread. A decent receiver that is nothing special.

 

Luke will get some money as well but as he is a lb (with Hurney gone) I do not see us breakning the bank to get him (worst case is the 5 year rookie deal plus taged for a year). Oh how you doing Mr. Gettleman. Didn't know you was a part of this forum. LOL Dude you don't know how we will deal with this contract with Hardy. I'm sure Gettleman will keep him. Just a matter of talking to his agent and getting the deal done. This ain't Hurney here. Gettlemen knows what he is doing. Hardy will most likely be here after this year. Because if Hardy refuse to sign. Gettleman will franchise tag Hardy and I'm sure there will be some team out there willing to pay a second rounder for him. Hardy is young and good. So one way or another Hardy will pay off for us. Either via trade after he signs his franchise tag or he will sign a long term with us. I don't believe he will JP on us like that.

 

[TheRed]

If you are an actual reperesentation of " this fan base " it is indeed a cruel joke.

I don't see him spending all his free time desperately trolling message boards and seeking attention like a loser.

[Pantherman]

Overall I believe Gettleman knows what he is doing. Unless Cam wins us a SB ring in the next few years he will not get a Flacco, Rogers type contract. He might get in a range of 6 years 70 million 40mil gtd and 15 million in signing bonus. Far as Hardy goes. He will get resigned one way or another. He plays well and he doesn't want to resign with us. Gettleman can easily Tag him and sign for one year. Then trade him for a 2 round pick That kind of young talent Gettleman will not let walk just like that. We will get something out of Hardy one way or another. Plain and simple. But I have faith that Gettleman will get a deal done that will not kill our cap long term. I feel that to many people on here are over reacting and not thinking. That is why Gettleman is a GM we are just fans. We don't know crap when it comes to behind the scenes with all this. I just waiting and watching at this point.

[Peppers90 NC]

I don't know the variables of cutting Johnson but I dunno

maybe you should find out, cj isn't going nowhere for a few years

[carpanfan96]

Need to watch out for Hardy because of his agent. 

 

Paul Kruger did just net 40 Million over 5 years for a 9 sack season with an explosive playoff performance. 

 

 

 

 

Three types of players get massive money, franchise QB's and LT's and those Outside rusher's that get to the QB. 

 

 

Hardy is going to get more then Kruger but less then Johnson.  If he has another double digit sack season with similar hurry numbers he'll get something like 5 years worth 55 million or around about there. 

 

 

 

As for Johnson's deal, he can't realistically be cut for another season or two at the earliest. 

[Catalyst]

I think you guys are underestimating how big Cam's deal will have to be. Matthew Stafford's rookie deal with the Lions was worth $72 million over six years and his extension will almost certainly top that number significantly. No way Cam gets any less than Stafford does. It will almost certainly be at LEAST $100 million over 6-7 years or something along those lines.

 

Depending on his play, of course. It's entirely possible Gettleman tries to trade him if he doesn't feel he's progressing quickly enough or doesn't like his attitude or what have you.

 

But yeah; I think the negotiations for today's crop of young franchise QB's will begin at around $15 million per year. This includes Cam, RG3, Luck, Wilson, Stafford, Ryan, etc. I doubt we'll see a franchise QB sign a smaller deal than that outside of a Tom Brady sort of deal where he gives the team a big discount to retain other players - not that they held up their end of that bargain with Wes Welker.

[panthers55]

Until the cap starts increasing, the current flat cap has made it very difficult to sign all of your own players while paying big bucks for your quarterback.  Teams are forced to cut very good players for cap reasons. Next year will be tough on a lot of teams and there will be a number of available guys who in past years would have been locked up by their respective teams for the long haul.  That is good news for us given that it forces guys to accept to less money and drives the market down.  So there will be replacements for the guys we lose.  It is possible we could pay Hardy as long as we don't have to pay huge bucks to Newton for the next few years.  When we sign Newton to a big contract we can likely make it cap friendly for the first year or two given that most of the money at that point is the signing bonus which is pro-rated over the life of the contract with little salary.  We will likely have a 3 year window which could allow us to sign a guy like Hardy.

On the other hand, Gettleman doesn't seem to be the kind of guy who will spend huge bucks for a guy like Hurney did with Johnson.  Should make for a very interesting off season next year depending on how the team does this year. 

[panthers55]

I think you guys are underestimating how big Cam's deal will have to be. Matthew Stafford's rookie deal with the Lions was worth $72 million over six years and his extension will almost certainly top that number significantly. No way Cam gets any less than Stafford does. It will almost certainly be at LEAST $100 million over 6-7 years or something along those lines.

 

Depending on his play, of course. It's entirely possible Gettleman tries to trade him if he doesn't feel he's progressing quickly enough or doesn't like his attitude or what have you.

 

But yeah; I think the negotiations for today's crop of young franchise QB's will begin at around $15 million per year. This includes Cam, RG3, Luck, Wilson, Stafford, Ryan, etc. I doubt we'll see a franchise QB sign a smaller deal than that outside of a Tom Brady sort of deal where he gives the team a big discount to retain other players - not that they held up their end of that bargain with Wes Welker.

We will pay Cam what we need to in order to keep him. But it won't be bad news for a few years given that most of those quarterback contracts are back loaded not front loaded. Flacco's deal of 6 years and 120 million is cap friendly in years 1 and 2 at 6.8 million in 2013 and 14.8 in 2014.  The problem comes in 2016 when it escalates to 28 million.  If the cap goes up by 20 million as expected it might be workable or at least eligible to be restructured.  So if we apply this to Cam, he will likely have his contract reworked after year 4 which is at the end of 2014.  if it is cap friendly for the first 2 year that means most of the huge cap hit won't hit until 2016 or 2017.  It shouldn't keep us from signing our guys for the next few years.  By then we should have cleared many of the bad contracts off the books and should have cap space to operate.

[carpanfan96]

I think you guys are underestimating how big Cam's deal will have to be. Matthew Stafford's rookie deal with the Lions was worth $72 million over six years and his extension will almost certainly top that number significantly. No way Cam gets any less than Stafford does. It will almost certainly be at LEAST $100 million over 6-7 years or something along those lines.

 

Depending on his play, of course. It's entirely possible Gettleman tries to trade him if he doesn't feel he's progressing quickly enough or doesn't like his attitude or what have you.

 

But yeah; I think the negotiations for today's crop of young franchise QB's will begin at around $15 million per year. This includes Cam, RG3, Luck, Wilson, Stafford, Ryan, etc. I doubt we'll see a franchise QB sign a smaller deal than that outside of a Tom Brady sort of deal where he gives the team a big discount to retain other players - not that they held up their end of that bargain with Wes Welker.

 

 

 

Yes they are. Cam will no doubt get more on a yearly basis then he's scheduled to get in the year 5 option on his rookie deal. So upwards of 16+ million a year starting out at least and this is on the low end. Given how marketable he is for the team, I'd imagine the negotiations will start out in the 18 million a year range. It's going to be a massive deal.

 

6 years and around 115 million total with around 50 of that guaranteed will be around what he'll end up getting. 

[MasterAwesome]

Imagine if Gettis really has a breakout year this season, as allegedly some people in the Panthers organization believe. A long shot I know...but we know he has the talent and measurables. He's on the last year of his contract as well, so Gettleman is gonna face a lot of pressure in re-signing Gettis too since we don't have a lot of talent at WR and we're desperately looking for Steve's replacement.

[InnocentBystander]

Cam deserves max money.  That rookie scale deal was utter bull sheet.  Carolina shouldn't fret at all about paying dude top money.

[OneBadCat]

Imagine if Gettis really has a breakout year this season, as allegedly some people in the Panthers organization believe. A long shot I know...but we know he has the talent and measurables. He's on the last year of his contract as well, so Gettleman is gonna face a lot of pressure in re-signing Gettis too since we don't have a lot of talent at WR and we're desperately looking for Steve's replacement.

 

If Gettis had a huge year, like at least 1,100yds and 5 TDs, then I'd release LaFell, Godfrey, Williams, Beason, Hangman, Dwan Edwards. He'd be a priority as well.

[La Pantera]

If Gettis had a huge year, like at least 1,100yds and 5 TDs, then I'd release LaFell, Godfrey, Williams, Beason, Hangman, Dwan Edwards. He'd be a priority as well.

Even if Gettis puts up those numbers, he wont get a large contract with one good year. Even if LaFell has a big year, he wont demand a large contract. And most of the people you mentioned are gone after this season anyhow.