Top Dawg's annual If-Smitty-Goes-Down-We're-Fugged Post (with a twist)

[CRA]

muhsin muhammad is not walking though that door if steve goes down. hell if he was we wouldnt be complaining.

Just playing devils advocate here....

2,245 yards, 7 TDs

Vs

1,758 yards, 8 TDs

One is LaFell the last 3 years and the other is Moose the 3 seasons before Smith went down. I don't think any of Moose's biggest fans saw that 2004 season happening.

[panthers55]

Good teams add steady talent....

You add steady talent you can end up with Mike Wallace's, Steve Smith's, DeSean Jackson's, Greg Jennings'. I'm sure you didn't see any of them either.

and sometimes....AJ Green....is actually Braylon Edwards. Draft is always a gamble. With a young franchise QB....you are suppose to play the game and gamble for some talent.

We have added steady talent each year. 3 years ago we added LaFell, Pilares and Gettis, 2 years ago it was Olsen. Last year it was Adams, Murphy. This year it is Ginn. And those are just players who were either drafted or we use draft picks to acquire them. In free agency we added Shockey 3 years ago, 2 years ago we added Nannee. This year we added Hixon and are still not done. This isn't the whole list but just those we expected to play well and compete for either the number 2 wide receiver or were added to complement the passing game.

To say we haven't added anyone or tried to give Newton weapons is just naïve at best.

[top dawg]

Outside of Cam....name one

That's what I'm saying. 89 is still a critical key to this offense. That's great, but it's kinda sad when you can't say that about anyone else but Cam. Of course there is an argument for Olsen, but that's because there is no other proven home run hitter at WR.

[top dawg]

We have added steady talent each year. 3 years ago we added LaFell, Pilares and Gettis, 2 years ago it was Olsen. Last year it was Adams, Murphy. This year it is Ginn. And those are just players who were either drafted or we use draft picks to acquire them. In free agency we added Shockey 3 years ago, 2 years ago we added Nannee. This year we added Hixon and are still not done. This isn't the whole list but just those we expected to play well and compete for either the number 2 wide receiver or were added to complement the passing game.

To say we haven't added anyone or tried to give Newton weapons is just naïve at best.

Steady, average talent, yes. Prolific, no.

[CRA]

We have added steady talent each year. 3 years ago we added LaFell, Pilares and Gettis, 2 years ago it was Olsen. Last year it was Adams, Murphy. This year it is Ginn. And those are just players who were either drafted or we use draft picks to acquire them. In free agency we added Shockey 3 years ago, 2 years ago we added Nannee. This year we added Hixon and are still not done. This isn't the whole list but just those we expected to play well and compete for either the number 2 wide receiver or were added to complement the passing game.

To say we haven't added anyone or tried to give Newton weapons is just naïve at best.

You are going pre Newton....I am talking about when you find your QB. You draft young talent specifically for him. We are unique in the fact he is entering year 3...and we haven't drafted him talent in the upper rounds

All we have drafted was Adams and he was always considered more of a return specialist move.

vet band-aids, 1 yr rentals, vet gambles, etc aren't what I am talking about...Olsen was a nice addition and you need those moves. However he is it. The fact we have drafted him help is becoming very noticeable compared to what franchises do when they get "their" young stud QB

[panthers55]

Steady, average talent, yes. Prolific, no.

Just because they haven't always worked out doesn't mean we haven't tried to find them. We keep trying and eventually will succeed. Did New York know they had a great player in Victor Cruz when they acquired him? But you act as if we aren't even trying....

[panthers55]

You are going pre Newton....I am talking about when you find your QB. You draft young talent specifically for him. We are unique in the fact he is entering year 3...and we haven't drafted him talent in the upper rounds

All we have drafted was Adams and he was always considered more of a return specialist move.

vet band-aids, 1 yr rentals, vet gambles, etc aren't what I am talking about...Olsen was a nice addition and you need those moves. However he is it. The fact we have drafted him help is becoming very noticeable compared to what franchises do when they get "their" young stud QB

When you draft receivers the year before you find your franchise quarterback you don't draft more until you figure out how the other ones work out. And if we use draft picks to acquire free agents then it is the same as drafting them so yeah Murphy, and Olsen count. Didn't Tampa get an A in the draft tis year because they used their first pick on Revis.

And no Adams wasn't a return specialist only. He had 50 catches and 800 yards receiving his junior year at Arkansas and 54 catches and 652 yards his senior year in addition to the rushing and returning yards. He is a poor man's Tavon Austin which people would have rejoiced if we had drafted.

So no we have tried quite a bit to improve the receiving corps over thelast few years. But contrarians like you will always see the half empty scenario.

[CRA]

Just because they haven't always worked out doesn't mean we haven't tried to find them. We keep trying and eventually will succeed. Did New York know they had a great player in Victor Cruz when they acquired him? But you act as if we aren't even trying....

Last 5 seasons, Giants have drafted 5 WRs in the top 3 rounds including a first round pick.

Carolina on the other hand has drafted 1 WR in the top 3 rounds and a QB they converted to WR. (Both 3rds).

I would say there is a noticeable difference in "trying"

[top dawg]

Just because they haven't always worked out doesn't mean we haven't tried to find them. We keep trying and eventually will succeed. Did New York know they had a great player in Victor Cruz when they acquired him? But you act as if we aren't even trying....

Yeah, we've been trying, but obviously need to try harder. There is something just not clicking when we acquire WRs, we need to take a step up in talent, we are complacent with mediocrity, or we are the unluckiest sons o' bitches that I've ever seen add WR talent in my near 40 years of earnest watching. It can't be that hard. We should have drafted T.Y. Hilton last year. Anyway...it's very frustrating. But I am hoping that our game changer is on the roster or will land into our laps via FA.

[panthers55]

Last 5 seasons, Giants have drafted 5 WRs in the top 3 rounds including a first round pick.

Carolina on the other hand has drafted 1 WR in the top 3 rounds and a QB they converted to WR. (Both 3rds).

I would say there is a noticeable difference in "trying"

So we aren't New York. Is that the gold standard that if we don't hit it negates everything? Detroit drafted a ton of first round receivers and other than Megatron how did that work out. You are grasping at straws as usual. Newton has plenty of weapons and will have more by season start.

[CRA]

So we aren't New York. Is that the gold standard that if we don't hit it negates everything? Detroit drafted a ton of first round receivers and other than Megatron how did that work out. You are grasping at straws as usual. Newton has plenty of weapons and will have more by season start.

Of course not, I also broke down what other teams have done since acquiring their franchise QB in the draft in a thread yesterday.....

When you get a QB, you draft and build around him....steadily adding talent. What we are doing for Cam....is unique.

Name a drafted QB who has been with his team, started, and is at least entering his 3rd year.....whose team has done less in the draft for him than we have done for Cam.

Saying he has an aging Smith and given a middle aged Olsen.....isn't building a team around your young franchise QB with weapons.

[panthers55]

Yeah, we've been trying, but obviously need to try harder. There is something just not clicking when we acquire WRs, we need to take a step up in talent, we are complacent with mediocrity, or we are the unluckiest sons o' bitches that I've ever seen add WR talent in my near 40 years of earnest watching. It can't be that hard. We should have drafted T.Y. Hilton last year. Anyway...it's very frustrating. But I am hoping that our game changer is on the roster or will land into our laps via FA.

Our receivers haven't worked out that well at all. Not sure if it bad picks, poor development and coaching or a combination of factors. I am not happy at all either. Adams has been a major disappointment so far. I just don't agree we haven't tried. Succeeded, perhaps not....

[panthers55]

Of course not, I also broke down what other teams have done since acquiring their franchise QB in the draft in a thread yesterday.....

When you get a QB, you draft and build around him....steadily adding talent. What we are doing for Cam....is unique.

Name a drafted QB who has been with his team, started, and is at least entering his 3rd year.....whose team has done less in the draft for him than we have done for Cam.

Saying he has an aging Smith and given a middle aged Olsen.....isn't building a team around your young franchise QB with weapons.

Since you will argue forever whether you have a good point or not, I will stop since you won't. I have pointed out where we have added plenty of talent by having a first round tight end, 2 first round running backs, Tolbert (while undrafted) has been a very good receiver, Smith who is an all pro and a third rounder, LaFell who was a third rounder and is a decent number 2, Adams who is a poor man's Tavon Austin, Ginn who is a first rounder and could be a good wide receiver in addition to a returner and a number of other guys brought in for a try. 15 guys in all on the roster right now.

You won't agree and will spend pages trying to pick things apart so have at it. You seem to delight in being negative and complaining so have at it. I will be content to see how things play out and wait to bitch until it is appropriate. One question though, are you this negative all the time? I couldn't live my life that way but to each his own.

[rodeo]

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