UDFA Signings Thread

[DawgzLife]

We will not be picking high enough to get a sure fire stud #1.

At best it will be a #2 with potential to be a #1.

So, you are saying that, there will be no #1 WR prospects beyond the 1st round in 2014?!

There is no such thing as 'sure fire'. Look at examples like Braylon Edwards who was taken top 10 & 'sure fire' form Michigan.

I guess there will only be like 3 WRs who have the skill set to be a #1 WR available in the whole draft next year if they are only available in round 1. How many WRs were selected in round 1 this year? Oh yeah, 3.

[DawgzLife]

Lmao brah I simply said his coach / coaches had good things to say about him, you asked for a link and I produced one. Never said anything about alot of people saying anything.

There was zero bad reports coming out of Tenn Tech about Rogers last year that I know of. If there was please enlighten me.

From the info we have he seemed to have got his act together.

Rogers is a dynamic WR. If he has matured and becomes a beast WR for the Bills than yes that is the steal of the century in the UDFA.

Not sure why you are 'LYAO', b/c you said 'you heard' he cleaned up his act (players & coaches), no players listed in article.

Seriously, again. What you have heard or not from 'reports out of Tenn Tech'?! The entire freaking league interviewed this guy with supreme talent & decided to NOT draft him...I cannot believe this is not getting through to you.

[Dash Global]

So, you are saying that, there will be no #1 WR prospects beyond the 1st round in 2014?!

There is no such thing as 'sure fire'. Look at examples like Braylon Edwards who was taken top 10 & 'sure fire' form Michigan.

I guess there will only be like 3 WRs who have the skill set to be a #1 WR available in the whole draft next year if they are only available in round 1. How many WRs were selected in round 1 this year? Oh yeah, 3.

Green & Megatron, come to mind as sure fire.

You didnt read my post, I said there will be WRs with potential to be number 1 late 1st - 2nd.

There wasnt a single sure fire number 1 WR in the draft this year, hence why only 3 were selected in 1st.

The closest thing to sure fire was Rogers who had serious red flags.

Counting on getting a stud number 1 late in the 1st - 2nd is precarious at best.

[Dash Global]

Seriously, again. What you have heard or not from 'reports out of Tenn Tech'?! The entire freaking league interviewed this guy with supreme talent & decided to NOT draft him...I cannot believe this is not getting through to you.

Like I said man. From what we know he cleaned up his act. Had zero issues at Tenn Tech. Passed all 10 drug tests. Coach(s) said there were no issues with him.

I dont give a fug about any teams or GMs passing on him as a reasoning to pass him up in the freaking 6th, 7th, or UDFA.

Reward > Risk

[Manos]

From what I read it wasn't just off field stuff with Rogers. There was stuff said about him being lazy on the field, not finishing routes, running the wrong route etc. If anything turned teams off to him it was probably that. NFL teams might deal with issues of the field or they might deal with commitment issues but not both.

[Dash Global]

From what I read it wasn't just off field stuff with Rogers. There was stuff said about him being lazy on the field, not finishing routes, running the wrong route etc. If anything turned teams off to him it was probably that. NFL teams might deal with issues of the field or they might deal with commitment issues but not both.

If you can dominate the SEC being lazy and not finishing routes than this dude must be on another level than everyone else.

I aint buying that. Coaches have said he is one of the smartest players they have coached.

It was def off the field stuff (failed drug tests, assaults / arrests etc)

[DawgzLife]

Green & Megatron, come to mind as sure fire.

You didnt read my post, I said there will be WRs with potential to be number 1 late 1st - 2nd.

There wasnt a single sure fire number 1 WR in the draft this year, hence why only 3 were selected in 1st.

The closest thing to sure fire was Rogers who had serious red flags.

Counting on getting a stud number 1 late in the 1st - 2nd is precarious at best.

Now you are just making things up, here's what you said: "We will not be picking high enough to get a sure fire stud #1. At best it will be a #2 with potential to be a #1".

We do have a 1st round pick...hence, follow the logic.

You cannot speak to a sure fire after they are drafted & in the league, which is why I used the Braylon Edwards example & there are many, many more...1st round WRs have 1 of the highest boom-bust ratios of any position. If we could speak to something 'after' they are playing well, then Tom Brady was a 'sure fire' 6th Round pick too.

Counting on getting a sure stud #1 early in the draft is actually more precarious than getting them after the top 10 (again, d/t to boom-bust). For every Calvin Johnson, there is a Chales Rogers (or Troy Williamson, etc, etc.).

[Dash Global]

Now you are just making things up, here's what you said: "We will not be picking high enough to get a sure fire stud #1. At best it will be a #2 with potential to be a #1".

We do have a 1st round pick...hence, follow the logic.

You cannot speak to a sure fire after they are drafted & in the league, which is why I used the Braylon Edwards example & there are many, many more...1st round WRs have 1 of the highest boom-bust ratios of any position. If we could speak to something 'after' they are playing well, then Tom Brady was a 'sure fire' 6th Round pick too.

Counting on getting a sure stud #1 early in the draft is actually more precarious than getting them after the top 10 (again, d/t to boom-bust). For every Calvin Johnson, there is a Chales Rogers (or Troy Williamson, etc, etc.).

Yes, I you claimed I said #1 cant be had later. Thats not what I said. I clearly said players with potential to be #1 can be had later.

Sure there are exceptions to the rules.

The superstar WRs are generally drafted very high.

There are plenty boderline 1s and 2s to be had later though.

I want a dominant number 1 STUD.

I am not counting on getting that late in the 1st - 2nd.

[Happy Panther]

Now you are just making things up

It's a trend

[DawgzLife]

Yes, I you claimed I said #1 cant be had later. Thats not what I said. I clearly said players with potential to be #1 can be had later.

Sure there are exceptions to the rules.

The superstar WRs are generally drafted very high.

There are plenty boderline 1s and 2s to be had later though.

I want a dominant number 1 STUD.

I am not counting on getting that late in the 1st - 2nd.

Now you are arguing thru semantics. You said there would not be a sure fire #1 WR by the time we pick, only #2 WRs who could 'potentially be a #1'...we have a 1st round pick, so you have limited real #1 WRs to only the first round (not even that, unless you think we make the SB). So what I said is accurate. You came up that assessment, not me.

To avoid talking out of my rear-end, I wanted to research your contentions, so I went to the top 20 WRs in 2012 (1 was TE Witten, so I added the 21^st & removed Witten). Of Top 20 WRs in 2012: 8 were 1^st Rd picks & 10 were after the 1^st Rd (most much later). Here’s the breakdown: 5 were Top 10 1^st Rd Draft Picks; 4 were late 1^st Rd Draft Picks (22^nd overall or later); 3 were UDFA; 2 were 3rds; 2 were 4^th; 2 were 7ths; & 1 was a 2nd Rd Pick.

So, by your statements above, you feel superstars are drafted very high, which I would say would be no worse than 1^st Round Top 20 picks; I would contend you mean top 10, but I am giving a wide-margin. Only 5 out of 20 fit that criteria (25%), so that is not in line with the facts.

A true statement, based on 2012 performances, would be that there equally as many top WR performers selected in the Top 10 picks in the draft as there were as those selected in the 7^th round/UDFA. Pretty shocking actually when I went & researched these numbers.

[Dash Global]

Now you are arguing thru semantics. You said there would not be a sure fire #1 WR by the time we pick, only #2 WRs who could 'potentially be a #1'...we have a 1st round pick, so you have limited real #1 WRs to only the first round (not even that, unless you think we make the SB). So what I said is accurate. You came up that assessment, not me.

To avoid talking out of my rear-end, I wanted to research your contentions, so I went to the top 20 WRs in 2012 (1 was TE Witten, so I added the 21^st & removed Witten). Of Top 20 WRs in 2012: 8 were 1^st Rd picks & 10 were after the 1^st Rd (most much later). Here’s the breakdown: 5 were Top 10 1^st Rd Draft Picks; 4 were late 1^st Rd Draft Picks (22^nd overall or later); 3 were UDFA; 2 were 3rds; 2 were 4^th; 2 were 7ths; & 1 was a 2nd Rd Pick.

So, by your statements above, you feel superstars are drafted very high, which I would say would be no worse than 1^st Round Top 20 picks; I would contend you mean top 10, but I am giving a wide-margin. Only 5 out of 20 fit that criteria (25%), so that is not in line with the facts.

A true statement, based on 2012 performances, would be that there equally as many top WR performers selected in the Top 10 picks in the draft as there were as those selected in the 7^th round/UDFA. Pretty shocking actually when I went & researched these numbers.

Like I said main, its a crap shoot when looking for a stud #1 WR in the late 1st and beyond. Id bet just as many if not more WRs taken in that time did not become #1s. A better number to research is the % of guys selected in x range becoming studs #1s.

I am not gonna count on getting a stud dominant WR that late. Sure it can happen and I hope it does, but I am not gonna hold my breath.

[chknwing]

ok question. Be honest. Wofford FB Eric Breitenstein. This was all Jerry right?

[DawgzLife]

Like I said main, its a crap shoot when looking for a stud #1 WR in the late 1st and beyond. Id bet just as many if not more WRs taken in that time did not become #1s. A better number to research is the % of guys selected in x range becoming studs #1s.

I am not gonna count on getting a stud dominant WR that late. Sure it can happen and I hope it does, but I am not gonna hold my breath.

It's a craps shoot from the 1st overall pick thru the last UDFA; that's the point.

[carpanfan96]

Posted this in another thread but this is why Rodgers went undrafted. As you can see it was more then off field issues, he had major character concerns on the field as well.

WEAKNESSES

Off-field maturity and on-field effort have been issues. Stops his route at times if not the primary target. Body language on the field can be defeating. Lacks great explosiveness to run by corners, no extra gear. Will struggle to track the football at times. Not a very instinctual receiver, doesn't always run the routes he should, doesn't fight to get open when the play breaks down

http://www.nfl.com/d...gers?id=2540179

Major Off the Field issues, doesn't give 100% on the field, isn't very explosive, below average instincts and ball tracking and doesn't always run the correct routes or finish his routes off. No doubt at all that he's a gifted WR, but all his issues are major problems that NFL teams tend to shy away from.