This draft was a idictiment on Chud and his Playcalling.

[iamhubby1]

3-4 carries?

Steve Young averaged more carries than that as he approached near 40 years old. You know why Steve was great? Bc they let him play.

Even if you never ran a read option or called a QB run....Newton is too natural of a runner. He will find his spots to run more than 3 times a game. It is what he is....and why he is special

You got in such a hurry, I missed what your were saying. I should have said. 3-4 running plays a game is enough to keep him productive and scary. Scrambles are a whole nuther subject. Young was not running out of set plays. He was a scrambler. Big difference in the two.............Yes, Cam IS special. That is why we want to limit his running. He gets enough exercise just trying to stay in the pocket.

[CRA]

You have this notion on your brain don't you. What does this even mean? If we actually gave our RBs adequate carries, we are harming Cam? We are inhibiting his growth in some way because we want an actual RB to lead the team in rushing yards? ................Cam has an uncanny ability to avoid contact while still getting all he can get out of a play. So a few designed plays, should still be enough touches for him to be a factor at something other than the passing game. Just keep the touches to a minimum is all I ask.

It isn't that difficult.

If Williams, Stewart and Tolbert all earned their checks.....we would be maximizing Newton's potential bc he wouldn't have enough opportunities.

Newton is an all around playmaker. He isn't a game manager. He simply needs the ball. No one on this roster comes close to his game changing potential.

One ball, too many runners....they have to be underutilized. A Jimmy Clausen caliber QB is the only way they could all earn their checks bc you simply wouldn't want that QB to have many opportunities.

7 carries a game is fine for Newton. We don't need a featured RB. Collectively they have always carried the load anyway...combine all there yards and pretend it is one RB. Not Cam's fault he easily can run for great yardage.

Outside of goaline piles....I see no argument or reason for anyone to suggest Newton needs to be limited

[carolina-chuck]

Obviously the FO and the coaching staff. Thought our offensive problems had more to do with the scheme then the players. While most saw the parade of WR and thought that Cam needs more weapons. Well that's just not the teams opinion. Gettlemen said he felt like some young players needed to step up and if you look at the roster the most young guys are at the WR position.

Only one offensive skill position player drafted a scat back. So IMO this draft was not about a lacking of offensive weapons. But a lacking in the use of the weapons already on the roster.

Best thought from you since knowing you KKL. Good post

[koolkatluke]

Cam's potential is simply better than those guys...

Cam has never been the bulk of the running game. He has been part of it....as he should of been and will continue to be.

We run a vertical pass offense and last year had no one who could take the top of the D consistantly on the field....it was a handicapped offense in many ways.

and it doesn't matter how Cam runs...read option is drastically overplayed in terms of why we struggled. OL blew....imploded our O often. Same reason you could line up Cam under C and handoff all game and RBs went nowhere....which we also did.

And yes, Cam producing offense doesn't mean he has enough or the right weapons. He is special. Have to nurture that. Who again stretched the field last year in our vertical pass offense? With pathetic G play Cam danced around all year? Cam could and should of been better....but we have to help that occur

1. Thats a bold face lie. If Cam is not running the Ball in the read option he is the one choosing who runs the ball. He has to either play out the fake or keep the ball himself. With that being your base run offense he is the bulk of the running game.

2. He is way better then them but using the same path of their success should bring greater benefit for Cam and the panthers.

3. You can't run a vertical threat offense without a consistent run game and a Oline who can block. We didn't have either t the start of the season. And Chud didn't realize that until it was to late.

4. That's not what people like Greg Cossell said. We came into the season without a Base under the center run game. Not team has ever done that. Not having Cam under center was stupid and hurt his development. Having 2 down hill RB starting from a dead stop was stupid. The proof is plain and simple the offense got better when the scheme was changed. No denying that.

5. Tolbert could have been way more of a weapon. The RB's in general could have been used better. You expect Lafell to have 60 or 70 catches and he is only getting 76 targets??? He has the catch the ball every play that comes to him no matter if it's a accurate pass or not. We didn't use Barnige at all but he showed near the end of the season that he can catch and make plays.

And Last we had a top 5 offense with less weapons the year before. What the difference?? Better play calling.

[iamhubby1]

I disagree Cam newton needs those carries, thats his identity and we shouldn't take away whats working with Cam ....... We just need to run more of traditional Power running game and get Guards that can create running lanes ( which we addressed in 4th round) We just need to use the option on limited basis as a wrinkle ...........Newton is biggest threat as a runner is short yardage situation and when he scrambles in broken down play

I can get behind this. We run that short yardage play very well. It is damm near impossible to stop. I am however, not a fan of him running 7 or more designed runs a game. IMO, that is just too much exposure to risk. Let the RBs run the ball. That is what they are paid a poo ton of money to do. And I DO NOT believe it limits Cam's effectiveness to allow the RBs to run the ball.

[CRA]

You got in such a hurry, I missed what your were saying. I should have said. 3-4 running plays a game is enough to keep him productive and scary. Scrambles are a whole nuther subject. Young was not running out of set plays. He was a scrambler. Big difference in the two.............Yes, Cam IS special. That is why we want to limit his running. He gets enough exercise just trying to stay in the pocket.

I don't care how he runs....it will happen. They could never call a direct run all season. Newton will still sleep walk to 500 yards...and will call his own number when appropriate.

[CRA]

I can get behind this. We run that short yardage play very well. It is damm near impossible to stop. I am however, not a fan of him running 7 or more designed runs a game. IMO, that is just too much exposure to risk. Let the RBs run the ball. That is what they are paid a poo ton of money to do. And I DO NOT believe it limits Cam's effectiveness to allow the RBs to run the ball.

Short yardage is the only time he legitimately exposes himself....

So how are you cool with that....but not all the easy yards, first downs, etc he picks up and hardly touched on runs in between the 20s?

The weak line and passing....and goal line stuff is the only time I worry about Newton getting hurt. Running the rest of the time? He just toys with people and always gets down

[iamhubby1]

Cam's potential is simply better than those guys...

Cam has never been the bulk of the running game. He has been part of it....as he should of been and will continue to be.

We run a vertical pass offense and last year had no one who could take the top of the D consistantly on the field....it was a handicapped offense in many ways.

and it doesn't matter how Cam runs...read option is drastically overplayed in terms of why we struggled. OL blew....imploded our O often. Same reason you could line up Cam under C and handoff all game and RBs went nowhere....which we also did.

And yes, Cam producing offense doesn't mean he has enough or the right weapons. He is special. Have to nurture that. Who again stretched the field last year in our vertical pass offense? With pathetic G play Cam danced around all year? Cam could and should of been better....but we have to help that occur

Cam led us in rushing yards last year. That is the definition of over doing it. We can still be a very good team with an actual RB leading the team in rushing. Hellz, 2 RBs can out rush Cam and we can still be very good. ................We definitely know what you don't like. Is there anything you do like?

[koolkatluke]

Cam led us in rushing yards last year. That is the definition of over doing it. We can still be a very good team with an actual RB leading the team in rushing. Hellz, 2 RBs can out rush Cam and we can still be very good. ................We definitely know what you don't like. Is there anything you do like?

Look at Washington, The Seahawks and the 49ers. Their Rb's lead the team in rushing and they all made the playoffs. So yes you can have a running Qb but still a Dominate RB.

[iamhubby1]

Obviously the FO and the coaching staff. Thought our offensive problems had more to do with the scheme then the players. While most saw the parade of WR and thought that Cam needs more weapons. Well that's just not the teams opinion. Gettlemen said he felt like some young players needed to step up and if you look at the roster the most young guys are at the WR position.

Only one offensive skill position player drafted a scat back. So IMO this draft was not about a lacking of offensive weapons. But a lacking in the use of the weapons already on the roster.

To me this has some validity. There were offensive options available and we passed on all of them, but one. And that was a, oh wait...we still have a 6th. Anybody got something? You, in the back, what you got. Well... I have this guy from Oregon. Kinda pick.........Scat backs that can be productive are a whole lot of fun to watch.

[iamhubby1]

Look at Washington, The Seahawks and the 49ers. Their Rb's lead the team in rushing and they all made the playoffs. So yes you can have a running Qb but still a Dominate RB.

Yes sir reedy indeedy. There are plenty of running plays for the RBs while still running the ball. If you have a Franchise QB. You absolutely need the threat of a pass to keep teams honest. We have the best of both worlds. A Franchise QB with the ability to run very well. Run properly, this Offense should shine. Even with our WR Corp. Sarcasm again on that last one.

[pstall]

orrrrr. it could be that no sense in loading up on offense since a new regime usually makes its biggest moves on O than on D.

the draft was a smart approach that also hedged on what could happen next year.

[iamhubby1]

orrrrr. it could be that no sense in loading up on offense since a new regime usually makes its biggest moves on O than on D.

the draft was a smart approach that also hedged on what could happen next year.

But, Gettlemen started his regime by going Defense. Oh... you are implying Rivera will be gone next year. Humor... snicker snicker.

[Ace_Aladdin]

I can get behind this. We run that short yardage play very well. It is damm near impossible to stop. I am however, not a fan of him running 7 or more designed runs a game. IMO, that is just too much exposure to risk. Let the RBs run the ball. That is what they are paid a poo ton of money to do. And I DO NOT believe it limits Cam's effectiveness to allow the RBs to run the ball.

I hear your concern but Cam has more chance of getting hurt when he is in drop back situation than when he is running it ...... last season when he was hurt or limping around was when he got sacked trying to trow the ball.......... Newton's Running ability can't be discarded thats what makes him the QB he is ...if we wanted a drop back passer we should have just drafted another QB .....also Newton knows when to get down and when to take the hit for yards................In his rookie season where he had 500 rushing yds our RB where still productive ......I just blame last year on O-line injury and play calling for our RB low production..... This year everything is going to come together where we finally have good Offense and Defense...... I think Newton will have around 700 yds but one of RB is going our 1000 yds. The running game is going to be key to the offense and i think where going to utilize everybody this year.