4th Grade Quiz in SC

[lightsout]

correct on the dif between layman theory and scientific. very astute.

would you say it would also require faith to accept that from nothingness, a bang happened and from that bang every form was created from the vast universe down to the hairs on the antenae of an ant?

for those that usually ask well who created God. the same could be said for a bang.

and as one who does believe i have never heard someone mention/teach/suggest dinosaurs and humans or the yeti being in the bible.

there are more advance species of christians out there than the honey boo versions you guys seem to stalk to confirm your religious axe to grind.

im with belding on science and it being able to viewed in a way where i dont start thread after thread after thread after thread on evolution. i mean if i were immensely insecure i guess i would do that.

Nobody claims that the universe came "from nothing". The beginning point of our known universe was a dense, hot singularity of matter. That singularity cooled rapidly and expanded. What happened prior to this or what existed prior to this, we just don't know. That is the answer for that. After the "bang", I'm not the greatest person to explain (I'm not an astronomer). Honestly, I posted a few pages back a link to talkorigins.org, and that site gives the evidence well (I learned of the site through my university's biology department, and they vouch for it's validity in both evolution as well as the big bang).

The difference in those two statements is that the latter has an intellectually honest answer: "we do not know". The former has an intellectually dishonest answer (most of the time, anyway, in my experience): god has just always been (this is special pleading, since the idea is that nothing but god can be existent without a creator, and that is a logical fallacy).

To the 3rd part of the post, really? My niece was taught by her church that the "behemoth" mentioned in the bible was actually a dinosaur. Those types of believers DO exist.

To your 4th point, I absolutely agree. In fact, a few of the more reasonable, rational, moderate christians exist within my family.

No its not faith, its FACT!!!

No its really not its faith either way.

No one has proved the way the earth was created. Point blank, period.

http://www.angelfire...rs/bigbang.html

If you want me to read you should to

Thermodynamics is a law, big bang is not.

1) No, it's not faith (at least, not entirely). Scientists hold "faith" that their presumptions from which their hypothesis is developed is valid (and anything that reaches law or theory, those presumptions are valid). Outside of that, scientists deal in results. Once a theory is developed and they find that it works, they IMMEDIATELY set out to disprove it. If they can't, it is accepted by the rest of the scientific community (after they look at each step themselves) and that is that. All these theories ARE falsifiable. All you have to do is present strong evidence that conflicts with the science in place and scientists HAVE to change their stance. Seriously. It's that easy. Science is CONSTANTLY changing because it is honest with itself.

2) We know how gravity and matter works. That is what created everything in the universe. Again, go check out some science books or an astronomer and he can explain how the universe works to you (The Cosmos by Carl Sagan is a great series, go watch it!).

3) Law isn't a higher level than theory. In fact, theories are higher than laws. Gravity is both theory and law (the law of gravity describes HOW gravity works, gravitational theory explains the effect of gravity and what it does specifically). They are two separate things. A law is a well-established description of the behavior of nature. Theories are explanations of a set of observations that has been tested and found to be well-supported by evidence. Theories contain laws. That is science. That is how it works.

Just because people change or "evolve" doesnt mean we came from single celled organisms.

Not JUST that, no. However, that is what it points to. Humans specifically didn't go from single-celled organisms to the complex beings we are. We share a common ancestor with the apes of today, and we evolved from that common ancestor. Evolution is a fact. The theory of evolution is the best explanation to observe that fact.

You have just as much faith in the big bang and evolution as i do in what i believe. You consistently confuse hypothesis' by scientists as science. Chemical reactions are science, biology is science, cancer research is scientific, things as you say that can be tested and reproduce the same results are science.

A hypothesis is the starting point of science. Theory is the HIGHEST fuging LEVEL of science. How many times must I say this? Guess what? ALL biology (including medicine) STARTS at evolution. You can't have the rest of biology WITHOUT evolution. Period. You say you don't "believe" in evolution....then WHY is there a new flu shot every year? Can it be because the virus fuging evolves and our bodies change?

Go tell a scientist that evolution isn't science. Tell them theories and laws aren't science.Tell them the big bang theory isn't science. They will tell you you are wrong (some may laugh you out of the room).

Go. Learn. Science. Then come back and apologize for your entire argument tonight (which is one big logical fallacy, as it is an argument from ignorance).

[PhillyB]

You have just as much faith in the big bang and evolution as i do in what i believe. You consistently confuse hypothesis' by scientists as science. Chemical reactions are science, biology is science, cancer research is scientific, things as you say that can be tested and reproduce the same results are science.

one of the biggest eye openers and subsequent paradigm shifts of my life was the realization that it's possible to believe in evolution, an old earth, and christianity at the same time - and that in fact an enormous portion of the world's christians believe this. apologetics movements in the UK think their american counterparts are insane for trying to deny evolution as part of their basic movement underpinnings; and even those same american young earth apologists are beginning to cave, with pat robertson (of all people) admitting on his show that the earth has to be way older than ten thousand years and even william lane craig coming out and admitting the same thing.

i hope you will realize that there is dissent within christianity itself and that "evolution isn't provable" is by no means a uniform conclusion by the powers that be in christian circles; it's possible to have a synthesis, or combine the two.

if you are interested in this debate - and not just interested in whipping out the theological baseball bats and head-in-the-sand philosophies disguised as winning repartees - i recommend checking out Belief of God in an Age of Science by john polkinghorne and pretty much anything by john shelby spong (Jesus for the Non-Religious is probably the best encapsulation.) i encourage you to search from a beginning point in order to look at evidence objectively, rather than starting with what you have been taught, as we naturally ask for less evidence for that which we already hold to be true than we do for similar claims that do not fit our official narrative. it's a pollutant of the human mind and it must be dealt with.

whatever answers you find, please don't stop asking questions, never stop searching.

[PhillyB]

oh and science is a process, not an entity. i see agency assigned to science as though it is a living breathing dinosaur out to wreck faith and eat its faith babies for dinosaur dinner. understanding what science is is key to christians understanding its dynamic with faith, and from my conversations it tends to be a concept that's fundamentally misunderstood.

[PhillyB]

pigeon chess anyone?

[Cat]

Even Pat Robertson believes in a old earth. William Lane Craig the Christians best apologist is ragging on YEC

Forgive my appeal to authority but I'm not actually going to spend anymore time on the evolution/creationism topic. If u research and don't find evolution overwhelmingly convincing then there's no help for u and your bias.

[Mvp2014]

Come on now, this criticism isn't fair. If you were a young earth creationist, your rationalization of dinosaurs would sound batsh*t crazy, too.

: D

[thatlookseasy]

You have just as much faith in the big bang and evolution as i do in what i believe. You consistently confuse hypothesis' by scientists as science. Chemical reactions are science, biology is science, cancer research is scientific, things as you say that can be tested and reproduce the same results are science.

Well the process of evolution has been quite conclusively proven. We have been selectively breeding animals for centuries, we've witnessed species develop drug resistance, we can see divergent evolution happening when genetic communities are separated

[Brooklyn Bully]

"For the Bible tells me so." - Building Leaper

[thatlookseasy]

Fun evolution fact: all mammals have 5 fingers (thanks to a common ancestor), but have evolved radically different uses

• A human has five fingers with one that evolved an opposable thumb to hold tools.
  
• A panda has five fingers with a wrist bone that evolved to strip leaves that looks like sixth finger.
  
• A horse has five fingers and walks on a giant thumbnail.
  
• A gazelle has five fingers and walks on the nails of its index and middle finger.
  
• A cat has five fingers walking on four and the front pad of its hand — the rest of the hand stretches upward with a little thumb up high.
  
• A whale has five fingers that evolved into a single flipper.
  
• A bat has five fingers that evolved into the ribs of a wing.
  

[Brooklyn Bully]

The Panthers have evolved from an average team to ... well damn. Hurry up and evolve! :)

[pstall]

so does the earth have a birthday? and no Earth Day is not the same yo.

[thatlookseasy]

so does the earth have a birthday? and no Earth Day is not the same yo.

no

[pstall]

how old is the earth? give or take 1k years?

[thatlookseasy]

about 4.5 billion