Your thoughts on Star in the 1st and Keenan Allen in the 2nd?

[Ken]

In a 4-3?

Floyd > Richardson > Williams > Star

In a 3-4 on the other hand, Star will be pretty good.

He does not have good pass rush technique and uses pure skill to get to the qb, and in a 4-3, you need technique, otherwise lineman will trap you and make you an insufficient rusher or clogger on the line. He is not someone who will have an immediate impact, period. In two years? Yeah he might be the best DT in the class, but I doubt it over Floyd and Richardson. He does not even use any pass rush moves, I mean jeeze dude, put on the tape. Raw skill and a player that will give you a couple of plays a game does not make him a sure fire top 10, especially not in a 4-3 lineup.

In our scheme he would be our 1 tech DT(though he could play the 3 tech as well). His main job would be stopping the run. He would take on double teams and is the main guy to battle the point of attack on the run.

He has shown to have have the raw strength and power to take on double teams and the motor to maintain it. He can also not only get into the backfield but also pursuit. To me he's clearly the best run defender in this draft.

On his pass rush, I agree that he has depended on his raw talent a bit too much. However he has dominated opposing O-Lines. The guy was constantly double teamed and sometimes triple teamed and still got pressure on the QB. If he wasn't double teamed then it was good night. He does have to develop his technique to be a better pass rusher in the NFL but he has good work ethic and attitude from what I've read and he has all the physical tools to do so.

To me Star is the safest DT in the draft and if it was not for the heart problem popping up, he would' go top 3 IMO.

[Verge]

If his penetration skills are so superior....then why are his sacks and tfl so low?

He is inconsistent

Kind of like asking why Justin Smith, Haloti Ngata, Kyle Williams, and Chris Canty have a low sack count.

[koolkatluke]

Dream scenario for me is Star then DJ Swearinger. After that they can draft all the WR they want I'm Happy.

[Dash Global]

ill be good with star, vaccaro, floyd, and possibly austin at 14.

anyone else and im pissed. (assuming no LT's or Milliner doesnt drop)

[TANTRIC-NINJA]

Star would be the ideal number 1 pick if that happens if he is not there id go Safety, WR, CB and attack DT in free agency if a John Jenkins or Hankins is not there.

Id rather have Star and a CB or Safety or safety in the 4th...3rd hopefully(trade party)

[Shermdog]

That is he best possible scenario in my opinion. I love them both.

[MadHatter]

Kind of like asking why Justin Smith, Haloti Ngata, Kyle Williams, and Chris Canty have a low sack count.

You just named NT's....Floyd is an UT.

NT.....run stuffer, demand double teams, hold point of attack

UT....pressure the QB and get sacks

Floyd is an UT without the sacks....he is inconsistent.

Way to shoot yourself in the foot.

[Dash Global]

You just named NT's....Floyd is an UT.

NT.....run stuffer, demand double teams, hold point of attack

UT....pressure the QB and get sacks

Floyd is an UT without the sacks....he is inconsistent.

Way to shoot yourself in the foot.

lol good one.

his sacks and tfl are concerning for someone going that hight.

short's stats kill floyd's.

[Growl]

Ill have to say that from that clip, Floyd looked like a top 5 pick. I didnt see him getting pushed back as much as what I have heard others keep saying. But, Floyd and Star brings different ability to the table and are very different player. Floyd does have a much better motor than Star. Still, Star is not "overrated".

He is if you think he's a Top 10 pick any other year.

[bigdog10]

Star + Hopkins and I would go buy season tickets

That would be my ideal scenario, but i don't see either on the board when we pick in the 1st and then in the 2nd.

[La Pantera]

Rather have Hopkins in the 2nd. Doubt he's there. So I'd take Patton over Allen.

[carolina-chuck]

He is if you think he's a Top 10 pick any other year.

You think Star is overrated as a top10 pick?