MAYOCK'S mock: Disappointing

[carolina-chuck]

Just like Tavon's on yours. Might want to get a Bills or Jets jersey ordered.

I'm not riding Tavon as hard as you with Lafail.

[koolkatluke]

I'm not riding Tavon as hard as you with Lafail.

Wow yes I actually like players who play on my favorite team. Instead of going crazy over players who don't.

[JawnyBlaze]

I would flip the fug out if we passed on Star to take Richardson. I like Richardson well enough, he's one of the few picks that are likely at #14 I wouldn't be upset about, but if we passed on Star for him I'd be instantly resentful and it'd take quite the rookie performance by Richardson to change my mind.

I do like Mayock, but less for his actual opinions on picks and more for his overall commentary. He's one of the less painful "draft experts" to listen to, even if some of his rankings and picks are contrary to my own.

[PantherGuy]

Star falling to 18?! Mayock, you is funny.

Peter King's mock is even worse. Has Star falling to No.26.

Edit: Nevermind. Someone already posted about this.

[carpanfan96]

How many said DT last year and never mentioned Luke or Barron?

Quite a few drafts had switched over to Luke the day before the draft. Most of the other ones had Coples as the other selection, there was a bunch of noise about the Panther's liking both of those guys. Not much about Barron though.

You do realize that, as a nose tackle, all we need him to do is be fat, immovable, and consistently take up two blocks, right?

A NT, doesn't just have to be immovable and take up double teams. If that's all he does, he just an average NFL 4-3 NT. He also needs to be able to break the double team or push it back into the pocket to either help create artificial pressure or to get to the running back. That's what makes a great 4-3 NT. He's a mix of the 3-4 NT and a 4-3 UT, he's kind of a combo guy that's able to do both. Now that changes if you think the Panther's run more of a hybrid 4-3/3-4 system that's more 3-4 then 4-3, but that just depends on how you look at the 4-3 under.

Hunter is a better "actual" WR then Patterson is plain and simple.

Is he?

That's why Hunter catching ability is worse and this isn't even in discussion, he dropped easy passes both seasons and even in drills and workouts with teams. (His hands can also be proven based on his catch percentage and drop percentage) Patterson's drills were very good and he caught the ball very well. Same inconsistent issues though in game situations. So this is kind of a wash, but if you go with numbers Patterson wins. I'll still call it a wash though because of Hunter's jump ball ability.

He's a better route runner, but still isn't a good one. Both need serious improvements in this area. So route running is kind of a wash then since they both aren't good route runners. This is in both of their draft profiles, though if Patterson ever learns the NFL tree, he has more potential here because of his cutting ability.

Patterson is way more explosive after the catch and with the ball in his hands, He's also faster then Hunter. (he's a track guy with a proven 4.3 and a documented 4.27 during his track days.)

While Hunter is a better Jump ball WR.

Patterson also brings the x factor to the game as a play maker from the RB and PR/KR spots. Just depends on if your team thinks they have a great WR coach that can get into his head to make him more consistent on route running and he's a way better prospect then Hunter and it actually isn't even really close.

One has the advantage of jump balls and the other is an explosive threat with the ball in his hands that can help on ST, rushing and trick plays.

Potential at WR and as an explosive TD machine.

Patterson l-----------------------------------------------------------------------------> Hunter.

You can consider that a huge gap on potential between the two.

Now the whole reason that Hunter is moving up boards is that he's aced his interviews, like nailed them out of the park. He's also got a higher floor then Patterson, but it's not even close on who has the higher ceiling.

[pantherclaw]

What's the point even getting caught uo in anyone's mock?

It's still just a mock. All mock will be useless by sick #10.

[koolkatluke]

Quite a few drafts had switched over to Luke the day before the draft. Most of the other ones had Coples as the other selection, there was a bunch of noise about the Panther's liking both of those guys. Not much about Barron though.

A NT, doesn't just have to be immovable and take up double teams. If that's all he does, he just an average NFL 4-3 NT. He also needs to be able to break the double team or push it back into the pocket to either help create artificial pressure or to get to the running back. That's what makes a great 4-3 NT. He's a mix of the 3-4 NT and a 4-3 UT, he's kind of a combo guy that's able to do both. Now that changes if you think the Panther's run more of a hybrid 4-3/3-4 system that's more 3-4 then 4-3, but that just depends on how you look at the 4-3 under.

Is he?

That's why Hunter catching ability is worse and this isn't even in discussion, he dropped easy passes both seasons and even in drills and workouts with teams. (His hands can also be proven based on his catch percentage and drop percentage) Patterson's drills were very good and he caught the ball very well. Same inconsistent issues though in game situations. So this is kind of a wash, but if you go with numbers Patterson wins. I'll still call it a wash though because of Hunter's jump ball ability.

He's a better route runner, but still isn't a good one. Both need serious improvements in this area. So route running is kind of a wash then since they both aren't good route runners. This is in both of their draft profiles, though if Patterson ever learns the NFL tree, he has more potential here because of his cutting ability.

Patterson is way more explosive after the catch and with the ball in his hands, He's also faster then Hunter. (he's a track guy with a proven 4.3 and a documented 4.27 during his track days.)

While Hunter is a better Jump ball WR.

Patterson also brings the x factor to the game as a play maker from the RB and PR/KR spots. Just depends on if your team thinks they have a great WR coach that can get into his head to make him more consistent on route running and he's a way better prospect then Hunter and it actually isn't even really close.

One has the advantage of jump balls and the other is an explosive threat with the ball in his hands that can help on ST, rushing and trick plays.

Potential at WR and as an explosive TD machine.

Patterson l-----------------------------------------------------------------------------> Hunter.

You can consider that a huge gap on potential between the two.

Now the whole reason that Hunter is moving up boards is that he's aced his interviews, like nailed them out of the park. He's also got a higher floor then Patterson, but it's not even close on who has the higher ceiling.

Please!! Hunter is taller almost as fast better football IQ. Better route runner knows how to high point a ball. Is a better deep threat and doesn't have the question about maturity and work ethic that Patterson does.

One is a athlete playing WR and one is a actual WR.

[carolina-chuck]

Im so ready for the draft. Something new to talk about.

[TANTRIC-NINJA]

"this guy sucks!"

Proceeds to post even worse mock in the NFL draft forum trading Deangelo and Clausen for an extra first n third.

[carpanfan96]

Please!! Hunter is taller almost as fast better football IQ. Better route runner knows how to high point a ball. Is a better deep threat and doesn't have the question about maturity and work ethic that Patterson does.

One is a athlete playing WR and one is a actual WR.

Like I said before you go here and see the rankings, Hunter is moving up boards because of his interviews. He's acing them, he still doesn't go ahead of Patterson though. He's got just as many question marks about him as Patterson. Take a gander at them all.

http://www.cbssports...3/justin-hunter

] Strengths: Hunter is a tall, long athlete with an exception catching radius and reach. He is a fluid, gliding mover with long strides and deceiving speed to get vertical or make plays after the catch. He has strong footwork in/out of his breaks with sharp route quickness to sell patterns and create some separation. He tracks the ball beautifully, adjusting with outstanding body control.

Hunter does a nice job becoming a DB downfield to knock balls away and prevent the INT. He has the size/speed combination to attract defensive holding and pass interference penalties in his routes. Hunter has experience lining up as an X, Y and Z receiver, lining up all over the offense for Tennessee.

He had a productive 2012 season as one of only four SEC receivers to surpass 1,000 receiving yards, finishing third in receiving yards (1,083) and touchdown grabs (9). Despite just 17 career starts, Hunter finishes his Tennessee career ranked top-five in career 100-yard receiving games (8) and touchdown catches (18).

Weaknesses: Hunter has a lean body type from head to toe and needs to add more strength and bulk, but lacks the frame to easily put on weight. He isn't overly explosive after the catch and is a little straight-linish, lacking flexible ankles and needing a moment when changing his directions. Hunter plays rushed and needs to stay under control in his routes and when locating the ball.

He needs to eliminate some bad habits, playing wild at times, jumping when he doesn't need to and losing yardage when he reverses his field trying to do too much. Hunter lacks natural hands to corral fastballs and is too inconsistent catching the ball with a lot of body catches and double catches. He needs to secure grabs and doesn't always look the ball into his hands or locate, battling streaky hand/eye coordination.

Hunter gets obviously frustrated by off-target throws and too often he lets poor body language show, needing to stay focused for all four quarters and keep his emotions in-check. He needs to be more aggressive on 50/50 and jump balls and how better conviction, often lacking the physicality to consistently out-muscle most defensive backs.

Hunter often has some alligator arms over the middle with defenders bearing down on him and needs to sell out for catches. He lacks the build to break tackles, but he needs to play tougher instead of giving up his body or escaping out of bounds. Hunter holds the ball too loose after the catch and needs to protect the ball.

He has some durability concerns because of his lean build, including a torn ACL in his left knee (Sept. 17, 2011). Hunter struggled against top competition in 2012 with just 2 of his 9 touchdowns coming against SEC foes and his 4 100-yard receiving performances were against Georgia State, Akron, Troy and Missouri.

Compares To: Mix of AJ Green, Bengals/Brian Quick, Rams - Like Green, Hunter is a tall, athletic receiver with very good speed and length for the position, but like Quick, he is also unpolished in several areas, including inconsistent hands.

http://www.cbssports...relle-patterson

STRENGTHS: Patterson has a solidly-built frame with good height and length. He is a fluid athlete with good initial burst and strength to release to the inside and gain separation in single coverage. Patterson knows how to create with excellent vision, controlled footwork and speed, showing excellent change of direction and a strong plant foot to make elusive, sharp cuts.

He has a natural feel with the ball in his hands, making defenders miss with quickness to weave through defenses. Patterson is tough, confident ballcarrier and runs with the belief that no one can tackle him, powering through arm tackles and allowing defenders to slide off of him.

He has very good strength for the position to use his body, box out defenders and make contested grabs, out-muscling defensive backs. Patterson has quick hands and natural adjustment skills to make impressive catches on off-target throws. His coaches rave about his football intelligence and his competitive nature, playing focused and fiery.

Patterson has been extremely productive at both the JUCO level and Tennessee, setting over a dozen school records at Hutchinson C.C. including career receptions (113), career receiving yards (1,832) and career total touchdowns (36). He was also productive in track at the JUCO level with a 10.33 100-meter dash and 22' long jump.

Patterson finished second on the team in receiving in 2012 and set a new Tennessee record for all-purpose yards (1,858), leading the team with 10 touchdowns (5 receiving, 3 rushing, 1 punt return and 1 kick return).

WEAKNESSES: Patterson is still developing as a route-runner and will tip his patterns at times. He is a natural hands-catcher, but will have some concentration lapses and drop some easy ones, running before securing the reception.

Patterson needs to scale back his physicality downfield, often extending his arms downfield against tight coverage and getting away with some push-offs. He has a bad habit of stopping his feet when running room isn't there, always searching for the home run instead of taking what's there.

Patterson has made some mistakes on punt returns, allowing the ball to go over his head or catching the punt too close to the goal line. He has just one year of experience at the FBS-level, albeit a productive one season.

COMPARES TO: Mix of Dwayne Bowe, Kansas City Chiefs and Nate Burleson, Detroit Lions - Patterson has a similar frame and physical downfield nature as Bowe with the speed and quickness of Burleson to contribute as a return man.

Please come back to me when you know something about football, Hunter doesn't have a better IQ, he's not a better catcher. Patterson is stronger and quicker off the line and better against the press, has more natural hands and is better at tracking the ball on off target throws.

Geez your natural bias is ridiculous and retarded. I don't care who the Panther's pick, I just think that Patterson has the biggest homerun potential in the draft. That's just my opinion and how I feel, doesn't mean I don't like Hunter as a prospect because I do.

I just go off of what I see and that shows that Patterson is a more natural WR then Hunter, yes he needs help on route running, but it's not because of concentration issues like Hunter. Patterson has more upside and will be one of the best WR's in the NFL if he gets route running down while Hunter is going to always struggle against the press because of his frame and strength limitations.

[TANTRIC-NINJA]

I also like Patterson's center of gravity which is common is great after catch guys like Smitty, Dez Bryant, Julio Jones.

I like Hunter but he will be best used as a streak sprinter and will go down quick on first contact.

Either way both would be great Red Zone targets with Patterson being the better Catch in Traffic guy.

Da'rick Rogers is more balanced of the three. Just a possible headcase but other than weed has he done anything serious? He has the most Terrel Owens persona of the bunch.

[carpanfan96]

I also like Patterson's center of gravity which is common is great after catch guys like Smitty, Dez Bryant, Julio Jones.

I like Hunter but he will be best used as a streak sprinter and will go down quick on first contact.

Either way both would be great Red Zone targets with Patterson being the better Catch in Traffic guy.

Da'rick Rogers is more balanced of the three. Just a possible headcase but other than weed has he done anything serious? He has the most Terrel Owens persona of the bunch.

I love Rogers in the second or fourth round if he falls, he's got serious boom potential and is a great risk to take in the middle of the draft from late 2nd through the 4th round,

[koolkatluke]

Like I said before you go here and see the rankings, Hunter is moving up boards because of his interviews. He's acing them, he still doesn't go ahead of Patterson though. He's got just as many question marks about him as Patterson. Take a gander at them all.

http://www.cbssports...3/justin-hunter

http://www.cbssports...relle-patterson

Please come back to me when you know something about football, Hunter doesn't have a better IQ, he's not a better catcher. Patterson is stronger and quicker off the line and better against the press, has more natural hands and is better at tracking the ball on off target throws.

Geez your natural bias is ridiculous and retarded. I don't care who the Panther's pick, I just think that Patterson has the biggest homerun potential in the draft. That's just my opinion and how I feel, doesn't mean I don't like Hunter as a prospect because I do.

I just go off of what I see and that shows that Patterson is a more natural WR then Hunter, yes he needs help on route running, but it's not because of concentration issues like Hunter. Patterson has more upside and will be one of the best WR's in the NFL if he gets route running down while Hunter is going to always struggle against the press because of his frame and strength limitations.

Alright Car you've been with these guy even when it's clear he's dropping in the draft.

I bet you now since you are so sure about Patterson.

1. Hunter cracks the starting line up before he does no matter what team they both go to.

2. Hunter has a better rookie season.

I'm so sure you're going to look so foolish during and after this season.

Get ready for Troy Williamson 2.0.

[koolkatluke]

http://charlotte.cbs...our-marc-james/

Espn scouts .com Kevin Weidl

Hour 4

31:00