My source has told me...

[Ship]

The FS/SS thing is what makes me wonder about Vaccaro. I think I was reading a an inferior site post about his visit and something along the lines of us looking to see whether Vaccaro was versatile enough to play SS. If we're committed to moving Godfrey into the FS spot then how can we justify drafting Vaccaro at 14 if he can't be a SS? Or maybe he is competent enough to play SS but he could shine at the FS. I guess you also have to take into account that Godfrey may be gone after this season and if DJ Campbell continues to grow he could take over SS and have Vaccaro at FS. It's a weird predicament I guess and I feel like it has the same taste of a lot of our problems on this team and especially at the safety spots which has been putting guys in tough positions/out of position.

I'd really like to feel good about Vaccaro because I think we need a top flight safety and he seems to have so much ability and potential. It's just troubling that during this process he comes off as a finicky player, like a well bred dog with perfect attributes but a screwed up personality or mindset. Not actually saying he has a bad personality or anything that was just an analogy. What I mean is there just feels like there is something off about him that could keep him from being a star. Does anyone else get that vibe?

[Growl]

Good list of players there were looking at.

Most Panther fans still judge prospects by method of SPA. Safest Player Avaliable. Years of Hurneywashing has made them terrified of the word bust. They sit under their covers at night tightly clinging to their blankey hoping the bustmonster doesn't come for them.

Teams don't build that way in the draft anymore. It's why adding free agents to positions of need is becoming so integral. You seek out draft prospects that actually can be the BEST possible player. Not the safest one. If he busts, oh well. To be elite, you have to maximize talent. Winning with a crew of good hearted lunch pale fellers who dont do their job too poor doesn't cut it. It's all yet another flaw in hurney team building plan.

[TheRumGone]

The FS/SS thing is what makes me wonder about Vaccaro. I think I was reading a an inferior site post about his visit and something along the lines of us looking to see whether Vaccaro was versatile enough to play SS. If we're committed to moving Godfrey into the FS spot then how can we justify drafting Vaccaro at 14 if he can't be a SS? Or maybe he is competent enough to play SS but he could shine at the FS. I guess you also have to take into account that Godfrey may be gone after this season and if DJ Campbell continues to grow he could take over SS and have Vaccaro at FS. It's a weird predicament I guess and I feel like it has the same taste of a lot of our problems on this team and especially at the safety spots which has been putting guys in tough positions/out of position.

I'd really like to feel good about Vaccaro because I think we need a top flight safety and he seems to have so much ability and potential. It's just troubling that during this process he comes off as a finicky player, like a well bred dog with perfect attributes but a screwed up personality or mindset. Not actually saying he has a bad personality or anything that was just an analogy. What I mean is there just feels like there is something off about him that could keep him from being a star. Does anyone else get that vibe?

Yep, I know exactly what you mean. But we don't really know. If Gettleman and company decide he's our 14 pick, i will trust that. But i know, I just get a wierd vibe from him. Like he is a great player but he wont be able to become elite. I think maybe we have just been spoiled from Cam and Keek. I dunno. I'll support the pick 100% if it happens, but I don't want him at 14.

[Captain Morgan]

Good list of players there were looking at.

Most Panther fans still judge prospects by method of SPA. Safest Player Avaliable. Years of Hurneywashing has made them terrified of the word bust. They sit under their covers at night tightly clinging to their blankey hoping the bustmonster doesn't come for them.

Teams don't build that way in the draft anymore. It's why adding free agents to positions of need is becoming so integral. You seek out draft prospects that actually can be the BEST possible player. Not the safest one. If he busts, oh well. To be elite, you have to maximize talent. Winning with a crew of good hearted lunch pale fellers who dont do their job too poor doesn't cut it. It's all yet another flaw in hurney team building plan.

a lot of truth in this statement.

[MadHatter]

Ginns only on a one year deal. And was a smart pick up, because if you dont get a guy in the draft, you have an insurance policy. Also DLo may be gone after this season. Could cover a lot of ground next season...

I agree with you. And, I think Tavon will be a very good slot WR. But, because of his height and weight, I just don't think he will ever be a legit #1 WR in the NFL. If you take him at 14, you will still need Smitty's replacement.

I like him, but would not spend the #14 pick on him with our other needs.

But, I am wrong over 50% if the time....so take it for what it's worth. Which even I can admit is very little.

[panthers55]

It's hilarious, Vaccaro supporters use the WVU game for a foundation but he was apart of the reason why Bailey had 3 TDs and Buie ran for 200+ yards. Then there are the Oklahoma and K-State games where Vaccaro was absolutely dreadful.

But please continue posting meaningless articles from SI that hype his athleticism. That has never been done before. Seriously, no bust has ever been raved about in major sport publications.

Please explain to me why everyone has him as the highest rated safety. Seems the general consensus is that he will go in the top 20 of the draft. Pray tell me how you possess some divine understanding of his shortcomings and terrible play that seems to elude all these so-called experts. I haven't heard anyone mention the word "potential bust" in any of the dozens of evaluations I have read......

Seems you are only one saying he is bad. Don't get me wrong, you might be the harbinger of how he will be described years from now. I think we all know how you feel about him. This isn't some contest where if you make more arguments deriding his ability then we don't take him.

No matter what all the experts have said, you aren't changing your mind and I doubt you have swayed many to ignore all the experts and pick up your bandwagon. And if you say that you don't care what other's think and what they say, then why the back and forth constant debate? To repeat the same thing over and over trying to convince no one without a care whether they agree with you, appears pointless. Unless of course you like to be the contrarian and like to argue.

You are certainly welcome to your opinion as is everyone else. And you have every right to trust your personal observations and subjective evaluations over the same by others who proclaim some expertise in evaluating players. I just would think that you might not be so vociferous in your negativity give you are really all alone, out in left field on this one compared to everyone else. I know, you don't care..........

Then why do I know you will care enough to respond to this?

[Growl]

forerunner is to vaccaro as kkl is to WRs

[CPF4LIFE]

Some people definitely have been spoiled by Cam and Keek. It happens.

[YoungPanthers89]

A source? heh

[4Corners]

My source has told me we will pick Matt Elam in the first.

Really want Cooper.

[panthers55]

Why is Vaccaro a consensus Top 20 by scouts and analysts?

• He's from The University of Texas.

• He's a former 4-star recruit from High School.

• He's versatile (can cover in slot and dime).

• NFL bloodline.

• Predecessor of Earl Thomas.

• He's incredibly athletic.

• Possesses prototypical size.

• Bright spot on a horrid defense.

Like I've reiterated, I don't care what these so called professional windbags say on TV or on an article. I trust what I see on the tape. That's all. If one were to trust what these scouts say 100% of the time then we'd be calling Te'o the best linebacker prospect since Patrick Willis, Patterson as the second coming of Julio Jones and Hankins the next Vince Wilfork. The media has its favorites, and they play to them. I can't necessarily blame them. A prospect like Vaccaro is attractive if he were to pan out (Kenny is tall and athletic). So they overlook his shortcomings and flaws as a leader and player for the same reason we overlook our favorites' shortcomings and flaws too. We hope that NFL coaching will fix their issues and they'll be fine at the next level.

Why do I vehemently oppose Vaccaro? Because he's overhyped. Kenny is a versatile safety but he can't play zone effectively, he can't make tackles in the open field, he takes poor angles (caught out of position too many times) he's much too aggressive (overshoots the play), his instincts and IQ are average, and he's mentally weak.

There's nothing about Vaccaro that makes him desirable to me as a result. He's a damn high risk at 14th and I don't know if he'll be worth it in the end. I rather take the 'safer' route with Elam, Cyprien or Swearinger.

And when you are the GM, you get to pick who you want....... Meantime it seems the rest of the world doesn't agree with you and almost every analysis of him contradicts most everything you just said. Sure when they mentions a players weaknesses, they often nitpick since you have to find something wrong with everybody. And no draft prospect is perfect in every area. Still just looking at it from a football analysis forgetting the media hype, it appears that you are very biased and hardly an objective evaluator. And once again very much out in the fringe on this one. You keep saying the same thing over and over as if that somehow makes it true.

I know, you don't care,.................... as you post over and over.

[chubs2496]

Personally I like vaccarro and would love to see him paired up with Godfrey

[panthers55]

I was saying the same thing over and over again with Te'o and Hankins late last year too. Fans like yourself called me a biased fan yet where are they now? Out of the first round, that's where. I'm no professional scout but I know when I see an overrated prospect.

Trust the scouts and analysts all you want, I won't.

Please dont include me on any selective memory trips on how you were dead on last year so we should believe you this year. Even blind pigs find an occassional nut.

Last year I picked Kuechly when everyone else was on Cox's nuts. The year before I was Cam's biggest fan.That still doesn't mean I have a clue who is the right or wrong pick or who will or wont work out down the road. The difference is I know that and you apparently don't.

[rayzor]

Please dont include me on any selective memory trips on how you were dead on last year so we should believe you this year. Even blind pigs find an occassional nut.

Last year I picked Kuechly when everyone else was on Cox's nuts. The year before I was Cam's biggest fan.That still doesn't mean I have a clue who is the right or wrong pick or who will or wont work out down the road. The difference is I know that and you apparently don't.

just reminded me...i have to go check my squirrel trap.