Should we draft 2 DT?

[koolkatluke]

This is where we have to rely on our talent evaluators. I hope that there is someone at 14 that can provide an instant starter/contributer/gamechanger like the ones we got the past two years. I happen to think it would be a receiver, you think it's a DT, someone else thinks Saftey, OL, CB. Etc etc... My point is that history proves DT is just too bust prone to take a risk like that at such a fragile point in our franchise. We have to be very very careful. And as I've said in other threads if we do take a DT I will be stoked to see what he can do as he will be a Panther.

You do know over the last 5 years the WR and DT bust rate is the same.

[L-TownCat]

You do know over the last 5 years the WR and DT bust rate is the same.

Ok fine lets just draft 5 kickers and be done with it.

[TheRed]

I'm not saying anyone would, but that's what it would take to trade away our #14 (vs. just trading down for someone's original 1st). I'd be livid if we traded down from #14 all the way to the 2nd and only got a 3rd as comp. A 3rd is what we'd get for trading down 4 or 5 spots, not 20+

Oh ok, I see. Well I don't think we would ever agree to trade back to the second round anyway.

I doubt a trade down in the first would garner us more than a 3rd and possibly a late rounder added to it.

[koolkatluke]

Ok fine lets just draft 5 kickers and be done with it.

Dude you tried to make a valid point. I just countered it.

[JawnyBlaze]

I hate this whole "bust rate myth". Some positions are harder to evaluate than others. It doesn't mean you don't fuging draft those positions or only put late draft picks into it. That's how we ended up with 5 years worth of first round LBs and RBs. DTs, WRs, QBs, etc are harder to predict but they're also very valuable and critical positions. Ignoring them leads to the worst run defense in the league, or worst pass offense in the league or things like that. Avoiding positions because "they have a high bust rate" is crippling your team.

[L-TownCat]

Dude you tried to make a valid point. I just countered it.

No you didn't, you took the fact that WR and DT bust about the same over the past 5 years and applied it to my argument against drafting a DT in the first round of this years daft. Because WR bust as much as a DT doesn't change that I don't think we should be drafting a DT in the first round. My opinion of this particular draft is that DT is the riskier position. It has depth at that position that we can probably get better value and comparable production outside the first round.

[koolkatluke]

No you didn't, you took the fact that WR and DT bust about the same over the past 5 years and applied it to my argument against drafting a DT in the first round of this years daft. Because WR bust as much as a DT doesn't change that I don't think we should be drafting a DT in the first round. My opinion of this particular draft is that DT is the riskier position. It has depth at that position that we can probably get better value and comparable production outside the first round.

Then you're a fuging hypocrite. You can't say "I don't want to draft a DT in the 1st because they have a high bust rate". But then say I want a WR in the 1st. When they have the same bust rate.

Do you not see the problem with your statement?

[L-TownCat]

Then you're a fuging hypocrite. You can't say "I don't want to draft a DT in the 1st because they have a high bust rate". But then say I want a WR in the 1st. When they have the same bust rate.

Do you not see the problem with your statement?

I don't see what is so terribly hard to understand here. I think this years crop of DTs are sketchy. Conversely I feel that this crop of WR has better top end talent. If I had to choose at 14 I would feel more comfortable taking WR than DT this year. But why is this about me? Why does my opinion matter to you so much? What is it about these DTs that has your pants so tight? Do you want one jst because we don't have one or is because you see superstar talent that can't be passed on at that position? Please instead of dissecting my opinion share yours. I've delivered my opinions several times. Lets talk about yours for a bit.

[L-TownCat]

I hate this whole "bust rate myth". Some positions are harder to evaluate than others. It doesn't mean you don't fuging draft those positions or only put late draft picks into it. That's how we ended up with 5 years worth of first round LBs and RBs. DTs, WRs, QBs, etc are harder to predict but they're also very valuable and critical positions. Ignoring them leads to the worst run defense in the league, or worst pass offense in the league or things like that. Avoiding positions because "they have a high bust rate" is crippling your team.

I'm with ya on that. You make a very valid point here. But if I may make a suggestion that could prevent you from having to make such a decision? Actually using free agency to address and to evaluate positions. Let someone else take the chance in the draft, then scoop them up after their deals expire. It's not a perfect plan and if the right can't miss prospect is their you can still draft him. It jst all goes back to balance of FA and draft and a teams ability to evaluate. This is what I'm and the rest of us are hoping G-man can do for us.

[toldozer]

Only way I would do this would be a trade back to 17 and pick up another pick and star is still on the board.

First round star

Then maybe long or armstead in the second

Bacarri Rambo with our added third

Fourth round Montori Hughes

Fifth round best available og

Sixth round kicker

[koolkatluke]

I don't see what is so terribly hard to understand here. I think this years crop of DTs are sketchy. Conversely I feel that this crop of WR has better top end talent. If I had to choose at 14 I would feel more comfortable taking WR than DT this year. But why is this about me? Why does my opinion matter to you so much? What is it about these DTs that has your pants so tight? Do you want one jst because we don't have one or is because you see superstar talent that can't be passed on at that position? Please instead of dissecting my opinion share yours. I've delivered my opinions several times. Lets talk about yours for a bit.

Scouts Inc top 32

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft

3 DT before the 1st WR shows up at 14

6 DT in the top 32 2 wr

Gil Brandts top 100

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000159226/article/hot-100-luke-joeckel-ezekiel-ansah-top-toughtocall-draft-class

7 DT in the top 50 prospects 5 WR

CBS sports

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings

6 DT - 6 WR the catch 4 DT in the top 25 to 2 WR

SI

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130322/2013-nfl-draft-big-board-4/index.html

5 DT in the top 40 4 WR.

Point is all the major football sites don't agree with you.

Read the 1st Post since I made the thread you can see my opinion.

[LinvilleGorge]

I hate this whole "bust rate myth". Some positions are harder to evaluate than others. It doesn't mean you don't fuging draft those positions or only put late draft picks into it. That's how we ended up with 5 years worth of first round LBs and RBs. DTs, WRs, QBs, etc are harder to predict but they're also very valuable and critical positions. Ignoring them leads to the worst run defense in the league, or worst pass offense in the league or things like that. Avoiding positions because "they have a high bust rate" is crippling your team.

My concern is that it seems like the quick, athletic DTs that "struggle against the run" are the types of DTs that tend to bust. Teams fall in love with their athleticism and upside and all they think about is how disruptive they could potentially be at the next level without considering how many of those types of players don't work out at the NFL level.

This draft is chock full of that exactly type of DT.

[L-TownCat]

That kind of helps make my point. If 3 of the DTs are gone before we even make a pick you still want to take a shot at what's left? Really? I'm gonna take te 4th best DT instead of the best WR? Seems legit.

[LinvilleGorge]

Scouts Inc top 32

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft

3 DT before the 1st WR shows up at 14

6 DT in the top 32 2 wr

Gil Brandts top 100

http://www.nfl.com/n...all-draft-class

7 DT in the top 50 prospects 5 WR

CBS sports

http://www.cbssports...rospectrankings

6 DT - 6 WR the catch 4 DT in the top 25 to 2 WR

SI

http://sportsillustr...rd-4/index.html

5 DT in the top 40 4 WR.

Point is all the major football sites don't agree with you.

Read the 1st Post since I made the thread you can see my opinion.

The good thing is that this draft seems perfect for addressing two of our biggest needs. If we chose to do so, we should be able to go WR/DT or DT/WR with our 1st and 2cd rounders and get good value on positions where we have a big need.

Either way, our 1st and 2cd rounders will consist of some combo of OT, DT, WR, or DB. That much you can take to the bank.