Interesting interview with Mike Tannenbaum on Sirius today.

[koolkatluke]

That punk ass would be a genius if Louis Muphy is Jeremy Maclin and Brandon Lafell is Even Eric Decker bc they would get seperation and catch passes..but they are not.

I never said we do not have weapons..most every team does. We just do not have enough and are banking on Smitty to continue his production at an age where WRs fall off the map suddenly..no signs.

I guess Joe Adams is the key for you then.

Someone had an interesting thread about Cam holding the ball too long waiting for WRs to get open..Louis Murphy could not gain seperation or make tough catches..Lafell is solid but noting special.

If Smitty goes down its yet another staff for Cam and added frustration for us.

That Punk ass

1. Forgot for half the year that he had a weapon like Tolbert at his disposal.

2. Never really use Barnidge at all.

3. Lost the fact he had Olsen for halfs at a time during games.

4. Tried to run a college running game with a pro offense for the 1st part of the season. Never had Cam under center or using audibles at all until the end of the season. So he did nothing to help Cam develop as a passer and as a General of a offense.

5. Gave up on the running game way to many times.

6. Didn't design a base pro set offense until the season was lost.

7. Was running all vertical routes when it was proven his Oline couldn't block that long. Didn't start running more quick routes until Rivera cuss his ass out in his office.

8. Finally was so in love with gimmick plays that he ran 7-10 game(all ways at the worst times). Which nobody does unless Tewbo is their QB.

So you can say if he had this he would have done that. But the real fact is he didn't use the weapons he had anyway. So who to say what he would do if he had those players.

[CRA]

1. Just because you have a low opinion on Lafell doesn't mean others do. Like I've said in many other threads. Lafell with more targets and more opportunities will make plays and be a solid if not top level #2 WR. This is not a poor WR class there is a lot of depth in the class. But there is no sure fire elite WR in this class. IMO Only 3 to 4 Wr's in this class have the skills to be #1 WR. The rest are 2's and 3's. So like I've said early I doubt any WR in this class will be able to take Lafell spot this year.

He has the advantage of knowing the system.

Knowing the QB.

Has Pro game time Exp.

Is a great Blocker (and we will still run the Ball a lot people) so this is important.

And if you look at his Draft Profile. He would be rated pretty high if he was coming out this year.

http://www.nfldrafts...=2010&genpos=wr

3. Everybody picking in the top 25 is looking for a starter right away. We don't have the Luxury of not getting a starter with at least our 1st pick. Really we need to get a starter with our 1st 2 picks.

So I would like to see a link where Steve said that stupid poo.

1. I don't have a low opinion of LaFell...I do nothing but defend him. Bottom line is if there isn't one WR that can't outperform him at worst by midseason....it will be something we haven't seen from a draft class in a LONG LONG time.

2. Sure, that would be nice....but if we get that it is most likely bc we are doing what Steve Smith has talked about hurts us....and we are putting someone like Amini on the field who simply isn't really ready

[SOJA]

I think are needs go as follows

1a) Safety

1b) Receiver

2) DT

3) O-line

I'm betting we go 1a, 1b, or 3 ( only if a really solid prospect is there ie Warmack) in the first round. Then second round all bets are off for the four needs.

[koolkatluke]

1. I don't have a low opinion of LaFell...I do nothing but defend him. Bottom line is if there isn't one WR that can't outperform him at worst by midseason....it will be something we haven't seen from a draft class in a LONG LONG time.

2. Sure, that would be nice....but if we get that it is most likely bc we are doing what Steve Smith has talked about hurts us....and we are putting someone like Amini on the field who simply isn't really ready

1. Well go down the list of the top WR in this draft and look at their Profile and tell me how many are that much better then Lafell?

Compare

1. Speed

2. Size

3. combine numbers

4. College production

5. Hands and route running

2. I would love to see the link of Smith saying that. It strange coming from a person who has said many of times he felt wronged by Seifert for not being giving a chance his 1st year to play WR or start.

[koolkatluke]

I think are needs go as follows

1a) Safety

1b) Receiver

2) DT

3) O-line

I'm betting we go 1a, 1b, or 3 ( only if a really solid prospect is there ie Warmack) in the first round. Then second round all bets are off for the four needs.

I'm still struggling to see how a WR is a bigger need then DT. Please explain how that works.

[SOJA]

I'm still struggling to see how a WR is a bigger need then DT. Please explain how that works.

Because its easy to find a big fat band-aid NT aka Hollis Thomas for a year. It's really hard to nail a first round DT pick. I said DT in the second would be fine. Also we haven't had a stud receiver beside Steve Smith in YEARS.

[koolkatluke]

Because its easy to find a big fat band-aid NT aka Hollis Thomas for a year. It's really hard to nail a first round DT pick. I said DT in the second would be fine. Also we haven't had a stud receiver beside Steve Smith in YEARS.

It's not as easy as you're saying or we would have done it by now.

Hollis Thomas only played one year and wasn't god of DT's for us. How many other times has that worked out? Remember 2011 that plan didn't go so good for us??

http://www.nfl.com/p...2503307/profile

We haven't had a stud DT since Jenkins.

I hate this idea of the DT being fixed with old bandaides. While we still give 4.2 yards a carry and 110.0 yards per game.

But yes let's go signed some old sumo wrestler and we will be fine.

[IamSoClutch]

i honestly think the best way to go is WR and DT in the first 2 rounds. Focus on our future with Cam and Luke.

[poorboysrev]

Another backwards reason. What does the DT line up look like if Dwan gets hurt? How about Oline if Gross gets hurt? Or safety if we lose Godfrey? You can make this argument about most of the position on this team. I got a good one what happens if Olsen gets hurt? TE might be the way to go in the 1st or 2nd round.

1.Rivera showed he can put a solid defense together even with alot of injuries. That is his strongest ability as a coach. So I have ALOT more faith in him being able to coach up a defense than an offense. How is that flawed reasoning, he IS a defensive coach.

2. Where did I say to not address other positions? I did not say draft a WR with all 5 picks. I just said getting one early(preferably in a drop back scenario) would be a good idea. Gettleman looked at our WR's and said we need to upgrade, how can you discount his opinion too?

3. The Panthers have brought in the top 10 WR's, and Rivera said they need to find an heir to Steve Smith. Why is it backwards to trust their own assessment of the team? It IS a need! They get paid for this.

4. Again I never said not to get some defensive help. I think we can get both in this draft cause it's deep at several positions. I think a trade back where we get a DT, WR and a CB/S with our first 3 picks would be ideal. The secondary I am less worried about because A)we brought in some cheap vets(like we did in 03 with cousins and howard) and B) Rivera's young secondary played really well against the Saints and Falcons in games that we won. So I have more confidence in them minus Gamble then I do in our passing game minus Steve because they SHOWED they can do it. I personally think that OG, LB, SS and DT are the easiest positions to fill with a plug and play vet.

It's not backwards just because it differs from your opinion. We will see in 2 weeks how the Panthers see it. Again with Gettleman coming from the Giants and Hardy about to get paid a DE is always possible.

[CRA]

1. Well go down the list of the top WR in this draft and look at their Profile and tell me how many are that much better then Lafell?

Compare

1. Speed

2. Size

3. combine numbers

4. College production

5. Hands and route running

2. I would love to see the link of Smith saying that. It strange coming from a person who has said many of times he felt wronged by Seifert for not being giving a chance his 1st year to play WR or start.

1. Tell me the last draft class where it had a WR that hasn't outperformed where LaFell currently is....

2. Google it...specifically addresses Hurney plugging in rookies as starters to quickly and it making things tough. He used Amini as the recent example. Smith wanted a chance to practice and opportunity...which is something different.

[CRA]

It's not as easy as you're saying or we would have done it by now.

Hollis Thomas only played one year and wasn't god of DT's for us. How many other times has that worked out? Remember 2011 that plan didn't go so good for us??

http://www.nfl.com/p...2503307/profile

We haven't had a stud DT since Jenkins.

I hate this idea of the DT being fixed with old bandaides. While we still give 4.2 yards a carry and 110.0 yards per game.

But yes let's go signed some old sumo wrestler and we will be fine.

It is easy....but you have to be willing to do it. We easily could of found better option in 2011 at DT and rented vets. We simply elected not to.

[Razeyfingers]

In what world do players just magically decide to play for the Panthers instead of any of the other 31 teams trying to bid on them?

[koolkatluke]

1.Rivera showed he can put a solid defense together even with alot of injuries. That is his strongest ability as a coach. So I have ALOT more faith in him being able to coach up a defense than an offense. How is that flawed reasoning, he IS a defensive coach.

2. Where did I say to not address other positions? I did not say draft a WR with all 5 picks. I just said getting one early(preferably in a drop back scenario) would be a good idea. Gettleman looked at our WR's and said we need to upgrade, how can you discount his opinion too?

3. The Panthers have brought in the top 10 WR's, and Rivera said they need to find an heir to Steve Smith. Why is it backwards to trust their own assessment of the team? It IS a need! They get paid for this.

4. Again I never said not to get some defensive help. I think we can get both in this draft cause it's deep at several positions. I think a trade back where we get a DT, WR and a CB/S with our first 3 picks would be ideal. The secondary I am less worried about because A)we brought in some cheap vets(like we did in 03 with cousins and howard) and B) Rivera's young secondary played really well against the Saints and Falcons in games that we won. So I have more confidence in them minus Gamble then I do in our passing game minus Steve because they SHOWED they can do it. I personally think that OG, LB, SS and DT are the easiest positions to fill with a plug and play vet.

It's not backwards just because it differs from your opinion. We will see in 2 weeks how the Panthers see it. Again with Gettleman coming from the Giants and Hardy about to get paid a DE is always possible.

1. And why do you just want a solid defense when we have the pieces for a really good defense? We just need to add a talented DT and secondary pieces. Let's see what Rivera can do with talent on all three levels of the defense. We can win this division by having the best defense. Nobody in this division can stop our offense already.

2. We gave up 350 and 450 passing days to Ryan and Brees. Not to mention Brady f' Quinn career day. That's not good any way you put it.

[MHS831]

Not reading all the posts, but this is interesting--sorry if I make a repeating statement. Smith is not playing forever, but a 2013 starting-caliber #1 WR (what we need) is not there. For what it is worth, I like Stedman Bailey and DeAndre Hopkins, but neither are awesome or ready right now.

HOWEVER...this is a funny draft because there are no starting QBS or #1 WRs. I would not draft a WR this year. We cannot keep looking for role players, which is what any WR in this draft would be. Tavon Austin is flashy, but he will not do in the NFL what he did in that WV offense. Patterson is this year's Stephen Hill or Heyward-Bey.

I think Gettlemen wants a WR, but I wonder if the GInn and Hixon acquisitions are not enough for this year in his mind. I have not ruled out some competition from Gettis. Maybe he plans to shop for WR next year.

Smith

Lafell

Hixon

Ginn

Gettis

Adams

Pilares

Bryant

This could be a decent WR corps if players step up. I think this group gets better if the line gets better.