Interesting interview with Mike Tannenbaum on Sirius today.

[CRA]

Wrong again.

Out of the 12 teams to make the playoffs this year.

3 of the top 5 defenses made it and 3 of the top 5 offenses made it. It was 5 and 6 when you look at the top 10 offense and defense. So the league is still split between good Offense and good defenses. And you can win with either one.

But we must not forget the 2 teams playing in the Superbowl were know more for their defense then their offense.

you are looking to argue....

It is an offensive game today...doesn't mean there aren't examples of teams doing well with good Ds. The offensive teams are the consistant good teams though overall.

oh, and the Ravens being known as a defensive team didn't make them one in 2012. There D was middle of the road. Big names who no longer played big.

[koolkatluke]

you are looking to argue....

It is an offensive game today...doesn't mean there aren't examples of teams doing well.

oh, and the Ravens being known as a defensive team didn't make them one in 2012. There D was middle of the road. Big names who no longer played big.

And so was their offense being ranked 16th. But we both know the only reason they were middle of the road defensively. Is they had injuries to their top defenders most of the year. Webb,Lewis,Suggs, and Naga all missed games.

[CRA]

And so was their offense being ranked 16th. But we both know the only reason they were middle of the road defensively. Is they had injuries to their top defenders most of the year. Webb,Lewis,Suggs, and Naga all missed games.

Ray Lewis and Ed Reed were just old....simple and plain. Them aging out was big....as they where the core of what made them a defensive terror squad.

Those other guys now without Lewis and Reed....aren't the defensive squad Baltimore was known for years ago.

Finding a balanced team that had success doesn't mean it hasn't become an offensive driven league....too many numbers back that.

[CRA]

but you know what....I don't even agree with what I am saying. So you are right.

It is a QB/Passing league now....just saying it is now an offensive league wouldn't be accurate.

[koolkatluke]

Offense cost as as well.....

and you can argue the secondary signifcantly more than our DTs is why our D lost us some of those games.....basically Nakamura/Norman.

1. Yes they did 2. And IMO most of that was on Chud's bullshit.

2. Oh really??? Now the secondary was bad but lets look at some of these loses closer.

1st Atl game -- Turner had 103 yards rushing on 13 carries. He hadn't had a 100 yard game until he played us. He only had 2 100 yard games all season.

2nd Tampa game ---- Doug Martin 138 yards on 24 carries. How many times did this hamster Gashed us this year??

3rd KC------ Jamaal Charles 127 yards on 27 carries. Charles was the reason we gave Brady F'n Quinn a career day.

Now lets look at how 2 undrafted RB's gashed us.

NYG --- Brown 20 carries 112 yards 2TD.

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Philly ---- A game that was way to close when we should have blown them out. Reason way???

B. Brown 19 carries for a 178 yards and 2 td's thank god he had fumbleitus and our offense kept scoring. Because we could have lost that game.

So yes the DT's were a problem.

[koolkatluke]

but you know what....I don't even agree with what I am saying. So you are right.

It is a QB/Passing league now....just saying it is now an offensive league wouldn't be accurate.

Thank you.

[CRA]

1. Yes they did 2. And IMO most of that was on Chud's bullshit.

2. Oh really??? Now the secondary was bad but lets look at some of these loses closer.

1st Atl game -- Turner had 103 yards rushing on 13 carries. He hadn't had a 100 yard game until he played us. He only had 2 100 yard games all season.

2nd Tampa game ---- Doug Martin 138 yards on 24 carries. How many times did this hamster Gashed us this year??

3rd KC------ Jamaal Charles 127 yards on 27 carries. Charles was the reason we gave Brady F'n Quinn a career day.

Now lets look at how 2 undrafted RB's gashed us.

NYG --- Brown 20 carries 112 yards 2TD.

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Philly ---- A game that was way to close when we should have blown them out. Reason way???

B. Brown 19 carries for a 178 yards and 2 td's thank god he had fumbleitus and our offense kept scoring. Because we could have lost that game.

So yes the DT's were a problem.

We where in position to win the Atl, Chi, and Tampa games with middle of the road play late from our secondary. Norman and Nakamura lost those.

A lot of the run damage isn't just the DT sucking. It wasnt in 2011 either. We have a lot of guys outside the DTs who have played the run poorly

[koolkatluke]

We where in position to win the Atl, Chi, and Tampa games with middle of the road play late from our secondary. Norman and Nakamura lost those.

A lot of the run damage isn't just the DT sucking. It wasnt in 2011 either. We have a lot of guys outside the DTs who have played the run poorly

I will agree with some of that but the DT position has been a major issues here for 3 years now.

Most of the top teams in the league have a playmaking DT. These are just facts. We can't take the next step to contending every year if we keep devaluing the DT position .

[Razeyfingers]

NO AGAIN. We knew we had Moose for 1 more season when we took Keary. We have 1 year, 2 at most witth Steve. How is that not the same thing?

You act like number 3 WR's don't get snaps. They do. And IF/When our rookie shows more playmaking ability then Lafell he will earn more.

I don't consider Fua a starter. Even if we don't get another Dt he will be baten our by Cole and Kearse barring HUGE improvement on his part. There are still good vet DT's out there also who will be had on the cheap.

And yes I likr Thomas. Will he be the cover guy Gamble was maybe not, but I like his tackling and attitude better. Gamble was never a great tackler and played soft. You might want to rethink that part.

We brought in 2 vet corners and a safety. Not saying we shouldn't address those but we did add insurance. FA strong safeties are easy to find...Hello Marlon McCree..Chris Harris(trade yes but see the point?)Do you know who that is? haha jk

Again not saying not to address DT, secondary or OG. I just think it's ALOT easier to find guys to fill those holes in Free Agency than a WR with potential to be our number 1. We have been waiting for WR's to step up for YEARS now. I don't see how you could think Ginn and company is going to do something they've never done before. If you leave it as is Steve, Lafell and Hixon are your 3 wideoute and Steve is old, Lafell is inconsistent and Hixon is injury prone to boot. Yes we could strike gold with one of our scrubs but I could also win the lottery. You pray for the best but plan for the worst. Losing Steve with out WR's as is will be the worst case scenario.

Dude what are you talking about? Colbert wasnt a first rounder first of all. I mean I dont even . . . Do you understand the question im asking you?

That is just a mad clutter of ideas thrown at a page with no point to it at all. What is your point here? Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing, lol. Look man, its simple, you dont draft a guy at 14 to not start at 1 or 2. . . period. What is all this wall of text? You're just rambling nonsense about how we need a WR badly arent you? Read it. Ghead and tell me where it suggests that it is common for teams to pick a WR in our situation. Let me explain the givens for you since you dont get it: Smith and LaFell are starters and will get most of the snaps.

You keep repeating the same thing as the other guys. Smith is old, LaFell isnt good enough. Thats all im getting out of this.

Gamble was an incredible open field tackler for a cornerback, for any Panther's fan to say that tells me you dont know the sport. Go read some details about Gamble from your favorite website since you dont have eyeballs to see for yourself. This is probably the worst comment Ive ever read about him. You couldnt be farther from the truth. It was one of his strengths.

...and why are you saying its easier to fill those spots in FA, because you said so? lol yeah thats not how it works. The risk is the same whether you draft a rookie or a vet. There are different variables but the risk is still there even if you decide to ignore drafting at your spot.

I wont continue to keep repeating myself . . . thats my last post on this topic, dude. You obviously dont understand:

1) That we have two starters already and anyone we bring in will get limited snaps

2) Any DT will get lots of snaps because we will put him right in

3) NO TEAM has ever drafted a guy at 14 or higher to sit behind the 1 and 2 on their roster already.

4) Cornerbacks are half the size of most of the players on the field. Just because Gamble never lifted someone in the air and tossed them back 10 yards doesnt mean he's not a good tackler.

I dont even know what to say about your comment it was so full of bullsht.Gamble had a bad attitude too? Does Smitty have a good attitude then? how about Jake and Cam, do they have bad attitudes? Boy your a big authority on attitudes and tackling then arent you. Tell me how Gambles attitude was bad. He was always causing distraction in the media huh?

Look at yourself man, is this what you came here for? To pretend to more than anyone else? Im here trying to reign you idiots in and tell you to consider all your options. Obviously we need defensive players. Obviously we have a coach that is in a hot seat that need to win now not next year when our new WR has developed. . . AND obviously we have two starters at the WR position.

[koolkatluke]

Dude what are you talking about? Colbert wasnt a first rounder first of all. I mean I dont even . . . Do you understand that question im asking you?

That is just a mad clutter of ideas thrown at a page with no point to it at all. What is your point here? Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing, lol. Look man, its simple, you dont draft a guy at 14 to not start at 1 or 2. . . period. What is all this wall of text? You're just rampbing nonsense about how we need a WR badly arent you? Read it. Ghead and tell me where it suggests that it is common for teams to pick a WR in our situation. Let me explain the givens for you since you dont get it: Smith and LaFell are starters and will get most of the snaps.

You keep repeating the same thing as the other guys. Smith is old, LaFell isnt good enough. Thats all im getting out of this.

Gamble was an incredible open field tackler for a cornerback, for any Panther's fan to say that tells me you dont know the sport. Go read some details about Gamble from your favorite website since you dont have eyeballs to see for yourself. This is probably the worst comment Ive ever read about him. You couldnt be farther from the truth. It was one of his strengths.

...and why are you saying its easier to fill those spots in FA, because you said so? lol yeah thats not how it works. The risk is the same whether you draft a rookie or a vet. There are different variables but the risk is still there even if you decide to ignore it.

i didn't get the whole its easier to find DT in Fa then WR thing either.

Just in the last few years there have been more top level WR on the Market then DT.

Example

Vincent Jackson , Mike Wallace, Jennings and Wayne were on the market.

Not to many teams let top level DT go to FA.

[Razeyfingers]

i didn't get the whole its easier to find DT in Fa then WR thing either.

Just in the last few years there have been more top level WR on the Market then DT.

Example

Vincent Jackson , Mike Wallace, Jennings and Wayne were on the market.

Not to many teams let top level DT go to FA.

Dude its hopeless, they want to just keep repeating the same thing and Im done here. Me and you are just doing the same thing now and whats the point. They dont understand football anyways.

Anyone suggesting to draft a WR over any of our other needs on defense . . in our predicament. . .doesnt get that there are two sides to a football team.

[koolkatluke]

Dude its hopeless, they want to just keep repeating the same thing and Im done here. Me and you are just doing the same thing now and whats the point. They dont understand football anyways.

Anyone suggesting to draft a WR over any of our other needs on defense . . in our predicament. . .doesnt get that there are two sides to a football team.

I understand the need to have a replacement for Smith on the roster. It is a valid argument. IMO We really don't have another WR who can be a #1 on this team. I feel the same about having Gross replacement as well.

But you can't look at the depth chart at these 3 positions (DT, WR, and Secondary) and think WR is the biggest need IMO. There is no way you can convince me that we should have more faith in the DT's and Secondary on this roster then the WR's.

Then you add in the fact they have spent money on FA WR. Who again IMO are better and more proven talent then what they did in the secondary. And we've done next to nothing to improve our DT situation. I'm not saying "I will jump off a roof and never be a panther fan again" if we spend a 1st or 2nd round pick on a WR. Because I can see the logic in it. But I will have a few questions why did you use so much resources this offseason on 1 position? When we had so many other needs?

[Razeyfingers]

I understand the need to have a replacement for Smith on the roster. It is a valid argument. IMO We really don't have another WR who can be a #1 on this team. I feel the same about having Gross replacement as well.

But you can't look at the depth chart at these 3 positions (DT, WR, and Secondary) and think WR is the biggest need IMO. There is no way you can convince me that we should have more faith in the DT's and Secondary on this roster then the WR's.

Then you add in the fact they have spent money on FA WR. Who again IMO are better and more proven talent then what they did in the secondary. And we've done next to nothing to improve our DT situation. I'm not saying "I will jump off a roof and never be a panther fan again" if we spend a 1st or 2nd round pick on a WR. Because I can see the logic in it. But I will have a few questions why did you use so much resources this offseason on 1 position? When we had so many other needs?

Yep it sucks that we havnt had anyone push Smitty to the two. He's going to retire with the league still not really knowing what he was capable of. How the fug is he not injured more often at his size and how confrontationally he plays?

I wouldnt hate a pick for WR at 14 but thats only because Im a tarded fan like the rest of these idiots. The truth is though, OMFG we need help at those other spots.

[poorboysrev]

Dude what are you talking about? Colbert wasnt a first rounder first of all. I mean I dont even . . . Do you understand the question im asking you?

That is just a mad clutter of ideas thrown at a page with no point to it at all. What is your point here? Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing, lol. Look man, its simple, you dont draft a guy at 14 to not start at 1 or 2. . . period. What is all this wall of text? You're just rambling nonsense about how we need a WR badly arent you? Read it. Ghead and tell me where it suggests that it is common for teams to pick a WR in our situation. Let me explain the givens for you since you dont get it: Smith and LaFell are starters and will get most of the snaps.

You keep repeating the same thing as the other guys. Smith is old, LaFell isnt good enough. Thats all im getting out of this.

Gamble was an incredible open field tackler for a cornerback, for any Panther's fan to say that tells me you dont know the sport. Go read some details about Gamble from your favorite website since you dont have eyeballs to see for yourself. This is probably the worst comment Ive ever read about him. You couldnt be farther from the truth. It was one of his strengths.

...and why are you saying its easier to fill those spots in FA, because you said so? lol yeah thats not how it works. The risk is the same whether you draft a rookie or a vet. There are different variables but the risk is still there even if you decide to ignore drafting at your spot.

I wont continue to keep repeating myself . . . thats my last post on this topic, dude. You obviously dont understand:

1) That we have two starters already and anyone we bring in will get limited snaps

2) Any DT will get lots of snaps because we will put him right in

3) NO TEAM has ever drafted a guy at 14 or higher to sit behind the 1 and 2 on their roster already.

4) Cornerbacks are half the size of most of the players on the field. Just because Gamble never lifted someone in the air and tossed them back 10 yards doesnt mean he's not a good tackler.

I dont even know what to say about your comment it was so full of bullsht.Gamble had a bad attitude too? Does Smitty have a good attitude then? how about Jake and Cam, do they have bad attitudes? Boy your a big authority on attitudes and tackling then arent you. Tell me how Gambles attitude was bad. He was always causing distraction in the media huh?

Look at yourself man, is this what you came here for? To pretend to more than anyone else? Im here trying to reign you idiots in and tell you to consider all your options. Obviously we need defensive players. Obviously we have a coach that is in a hot seat that need to win now not next year when our new WR has developed. . . AND obviously we have two starters at the WR position.

Whoa man Who the fug are you calling an idiot? Just because you don't agree with me? Have I called you 1 name? I'm just discussing this same as you man. KKL and me went back and forth several times but neither one of us starting slamming the other. CRA and I have went rounds before about RB's but debated it like men. It's a difference in opinion. It's allowed. Why are going apeshit? IS it cocaine Friday?

1. I said Keary because we took him in the 2nd rd. I have said in EVERY single post to you and KKL that I was fine taking a wide receiver in the 2nd and addressing another need first and that preferably we traded back so we could address WR,DT, and a secondary player. Go reread my posts to you and and KKL and try to find where I did not say that. So you are mistaken there right off the bat. That's 1.

2. You're the one that keeps bringing up the 14 th pick WR. I HAVE NOT SAID 1 TIME THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE A WR THERE. I just consider it a bigger need than you and KKL do. Go back and find a post where I said we had to take a WR at 14 and that you two were idiots for not seeing that. NEVER HAPPENED. That's 2 mistakes.

3. I was not slamming Gamble. You mentioned Thomas and Gamble and said Gamble was the better cover guy. I AGREED with you there. How is that me acting like I know everything bro(mistake 3)? And I did not say Gamble had a bad attitude. I meant that Thomas seemed to play with attitude. To me Gamble was talented but kind of like Peppers in demeanor. So yes it was nice to see a young guy it jacked up and fire his teammates up. Gamble was ALWAYS considered more of a cover corner than a great tackler. I've watched this team since inception. I remember Chris Cooley trucking over him when he tried the old Deion tackle on him. He got ALOT better under Rivera but for most of his career...No. Gamble just retired. Obviously he had wheels left. But he walked. To me that supports my opinion about his football demeanor. But that's just my opinion. That was not an important point to me, you started the Thomas/Gamble comparison.

4. IF I am the big idiot that you are calling me, then WHY have Rivera and Gettleman brought in WAAY more WR's than other positions? WHY?????? How is it not logical to see that they see WR as a need too? That doesn't mean they take one but it seems highly likely. AGAIN I'm not saying has to be at 14 so PLEASE let that poo go. You are coming off WAY more arrogant than me dude. You are unable to acknowledge anyone else's point or even that they have a right to it. I have never claimed to be an expert on here. EVER. Go Find where I said that. Or claimed to watch hours of film or any of that poo. NEVER. Mistake 4.

5. You said in your first post that there is no need to draft a WR period until Steve retires or Lafell leaves. I simply stated that teams address WR when they know 1 is leaving in a year or 2, Steve is. I never said we had to at 14 or that we should draft all WR's and nothing else. The Packers drafted Rodgers YEARS before Brett retired because they saw it was an inevitable need. The Packers are loaded at WR but knew Driver/Jennings, were long in the tooth so drafted Jordy Nelson,Jones, then Cobb. So teams do address WR when they have a 1 and 2, never said it had to be a 1st pick rd pick YOU ARE getting hung up on that.. (Mistake too many too count)

Holy poo you are right , why DO I come on here.