Keenan Allen Pro Day Tommorow.

[Swaggasaurus]

Little scared off by the 40 time...was that slower than Dwayne Jarrett??? He runs good routes and has some move when he has the ball. That 40 makes a difference though, anyone who says that doesn't change things some is just set in their ways and showing complete refusal to acknowledge that speed is an important component of being a great WR.

[Growl]

Keenan Allen Scouting reports

What He Does Well: Allen Is a big bodied WR with excellent hands and route running ability. Those are his primary assets as a player. He stands 6′ 2″ 210 lbs and he plays a bit bigger than that

• Consistently gets separation
  
• Route-running
  
• Very quick and sudden
  
• Strong; can push defensive backs around
  
• Beats defensive backs for contested catches
  
• Quick feet
  
• Phenomenal possession receiver
  
• Excellent body control to make tough sideline catches
  
• Good hands
  
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• Long-legged, reliable No. 1 receiver prospect. Runs solid slants, crossers, speed outs and vertical routes. Good height to win jump balls downfield, will attack the ball in the air with his hands and has good ball skills overall.
  
• Allen has great hands and consistently grabs the ball away from his body. Lacks high-end top speed and does not have break-away speed. He is the type of receiver who can make something happen after the catch and looks to turn it upfield.
  

There's four different scouting reports suggesting that Allen catches the ball well. Do I need to dig up more? Or should I just accept that every single other person is wrong and 1986 is right?
Hate those tough decisions.

[C47]

Def pass on a wr that runs a 4.7 and body catches...posession wr or not you need some sort of speed to play in the nfl

Rob Rang's calling you a liar....

Strengths: Has a long, tapered build with prototypical height for the position. Very good all-around athlete. Good initial quickness, balance and lateral agility. Is a smooth accelerator with sneaky build-up speed. Natural big play threat who isn't afraid of contact and has very good vision and patience to set up blocks. Rarely allows passes to get past his hands and into his chest. Typically snatches passes out of the air, showing very good hand-eye coordination and a wide catching radius due to his length, flexibility and big hands. Tracks the ball well over his shoulder. Experienced route-runner who has extensive experience lining up outside and in the slot. Quick hands and feet to slip past press coverage. Shows a natural savvy running his routes, altering his speeds, dipping his shoulder and exploding out of his cuts to generate separation from the defender. Does a nice job of shielding defensive backs from the ball with his size. Wastes little time getting upfield. Competitive, attentive downfield blocker.

Weaknesses: Lacks elite straight-line speed. Is quicker and more agile than his size would indicate but does not possess the elite elusiveness to consistently make defenders miss in tight quarters. Will occasionally drop catchable passes, though this typically occurs when he's in traffic and attempting to make a defender miss before securing the ball. Missed the final three games of the 2012 season with a left knee injury that will need to be evaluated at the Combine.

Compares To: Jordy Nelson, WR, Green Bay Packers -- Like Nelson, Allen possesses just enough straight-line speed to beat defenders on the outside, as well as the size, toughness and sure hands to attack over the middle.

--Rob Rang

[CPF4LIFE]

Little scared off by the 40 time...was that slower than Dwayne Jarrett??? He runs good routes and has some move when he has the ball. That 40 makes a difference though, anyone who says that doesn't change things some is just set in their ways and showing complete refusal to acknowledge that speed is an important component of being a great WR.

Right because Reggie Wayne, Boldin, Fitzgerald, Brandon Marshall, J Blackmon, Crabtree, Colston, Vincent Jackson, Michael Irvin, Jerry Rice, Roddy White are all track guys.

[Growl]

What FACTS have you stated? Please, point them out. You continue to tout opinions as fact.

The only fact I see here is that Allen missed games due to injury.

You then go on to clearly state an opinion as fact - a popular opinion, but none the less an opinion. I share the opinion that Maynard is terrible, but I don't think Boyd isn't as good as you make him out to be - an opinion supported by the fact that he was given a 2cd day draft grade by the advisory committee.

I don't know how you expect anyone to take you seriously when you continue to cloud the difference between fact and opinion.

I understand it quite well. I understand the concept well enough to know when someone is resistant to accepting fact because it disputes their "opinion."

Don't you know this little stunt your pulling is a rather common internet tactic? One day you'll find yourself on the end of the argument where your clearly supporting the factual side while some turd wants to argue something so far from the truth it can't even be considered an opinion, you'll think back on this moment, and chuckle out loud as you realize that this little notion "let's all jsut be friends and accept each other's opinions" is total crap. If someone says something that is just downright the opposite of the truth, the right is there to call them out for that.

And when that day comes, padawan, I'll graciously accept your pie. It's part of the circle of Huddle life.

[LinvilleGorge]

Don't bother with Growl. He's (the ego-manic) always right and everyone that disagrees with him is wrong.

This thread has made that crystal clear. It's impossible to have an intelligent conversation with someone who refuses to be intellectually honest.

[Growl]

Don't bother with Growl. He's (the ego-manic) always right and everyone that disagrees with him is wrong.

lol I'm still just waiting for you to link me to one supporting source for anything you have to say.

"ALL REPORTS FROM INSIDE THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH CAROLINA IS THAT MARCUS LATTIMORE IS LAZY SORRY LOST MY SOURCE ITS NOT ON ME JUST ACCEPT WHAT I SAY AND DONT WORRY ABOUT"

[Udogg]

Keenan Allen Scouting reports

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There's four different scouting reports suggesting that Allen catches the ball well. Do I need to dig up more? Or should I just accept that every single other person is wrong an 1986 is right?

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Hate those tough decisions.

Well how about you define what makes Allen have "the best hands" and being "the best route runner"?

I mean factually it can be said he has one of the slowest timed 40 times. But his shuttle, agility drills may be off the charts good( I don't honestly know). I don't care if it's Austin, Patterson, Allen, etc.. but saying he is the best at anything needs to have some kind of provable statistic right?

I think Allen is definitely a viable pick at #14. However saying he is a slam dunk no brainer pick is crazy. There are injury concerns and performance concerns. His 40 time is not a be all end all, but it makes me worried he can't get separation at the "pro level". Dr Andrews saying he was 100% structurally is definitely a huge plus. I think we need another receiver who can legitimately take the top off of the defense.

[LinvilleGorge]

I understand it quite well. I understand the concept well enough to know when someone is resistant to accepting fact because it disputes their "opinion."

Don't you know this little stunt your pulling is a rather common internet tactic? One day you'll find yourself on the end of the argument where your clearly supporting the factual side while some turd wants to argue something so far from the truth it can't even be considered an opinion, you'll think back on this moment, and chuckle out loud as you realize that this little notion "let's all jsut be friends and accept each other's opinions" is total crap. If someone says something that is just downright the opposite of the truth, the right is there to call them out for that.

And when that day comes, padawan, I'll graciously accept your pie. It's part of the circle of Huddle life.

On the contrary, you continue to demonstrate that you clearly do not understand this concept. An opinion being popular does not make it a fact. Distinguishing between fact and opinion isn't a debate tactic, it's a prerequisite of intelligent discussion.

[Growl]

Well how about you define what makes Allen have "the best hands" and being "the best route runner"?

I mean factually it can be said he has one of the slowest timed 40 times. But his shuttle, agility drills may be off the charts good( I don't honestly know). I don't care if it's Austin, Patterson, Allen, etc.. but saying he is the best at anything needs to have some kind of provable statistic right?

I think Allen is definitely a viable pick at #14. However saying he is a slam dunk no brainer pick is crazy. There are injury concerns and performance concerns. His 40 time is not a be all end all, but it makes me worried he can't get separation at the "pro level". Dr Andrews saying he was 100% structurally is definitely a huge plus. I think we need another receiver who can legitimately take the top off of the defense.

Seperation has almost nothing to do with straight line speed. It has to do with route running (he's highly touted in this aspect) and overall quickness ( while his straight line speed his average, a trip around the web will reveal he has fast plant step explosion and quick overall agility)

Running in a straight line quickly in this sport is so ridiculously meaningless it can't even be measured just how worthless it is.

[OneBadCat]

Allen has the ability to get open with a big catch radius so that some what makes up for his lack of speed. I'm just wondering if that Allen would make the WR dangerous enough by committee. Can Ginn be enough to be a deep threat with Allen, LaFell, Hixon, and Smitty working the field? I like Allen alot but do we have guys on the roster to give us the speed we need at the position. Smitty is still pretty fast, Adams and Armanti are pretty quick but they've shown nothing, Gettis could very likely be cut.

One thing Allen could do is provide a redzone threat which is something we could definitely use.

Actually now that I think about it. Smith, Allen, Lafell, and Hixon should be good enough with Olsen. Would still like to see some speed but that group should have no problem moving the chains. I still expect improvement from LaFell.

[jtm]

Guys arguing about football on the Internet when likely neither one has ever played organized football is comical.

[Growl]

On the contrary, you continue to demonstrate that you clearly do not understand this concept. An opinion being popular does not make it a fact. Distinguishing between fact and opinion isn't a debate tactic, it's a prerequisite of intelligent discussion.

Right. Go ahead and let me know if you still feel this way when the day comes where someone tries to viciously have you accept that the sky is purple. We'll see if you hold onto this wonderful sentiment.

[Growl]

Guys arguing about football on the Internet when likely neither one has ever played organized football is comical.

on the contrary, I personally played receiver in high school. Was always my favorite position and because of that, dedicated far more time looking at the prospects each year than any other position.