Keenan Allen Pro Day Tommorow.

[Growl]

You have yet to acknowledge my response to your "Keenan Allen is the best route runner and has the best hands" comment. You have done no research or anything on any of these prospects, or else you would know that Keenan Allen's stock has been slipping even before his timed speed. He has holes in his game.

I have yet to acknowledge it because when you made the comment that he struggles catching footballs I just laughed and made a mental note to not consider anything you say as viable.

Isnt that what you wanted? To stop being mean to you? There you go. To challenge either of those aspects is silly. He's recieved enormous amounts of praise for both of those things. I really am not interested in what your trip to youtube taught you when held up against the endless waves of praise. Is that mean? Sorry. But you pushed the issue, and there's my honest response.

[C47]

he has the best catch radius of any WR in the draft and did it consistently. If you couple that with zach maynard throwing the football, I feel comfortable putting him up against anyone in this class.

I agree with catch radius, and a lot of that is about Maynard. If it gets remotely near him he's getting his hands on it....

[French Navy]

We should not draft a receiver slower than Lafell in the first round. Second seems fine.

[Growl]

I'm not the one that presented outrageous "facts" and/or just outright made poo up. I expressed concern about Allen's speed, as represented by his factual 40 time. You talked about the "facts" that he has the best hands and is the best route runner in the draft. Those aren't facts, they're opinions. You stated Boyd is a 1st round NFL pick while the fact is that Boyd received a 2cd day draft grade from the advisory committee in a draft class that is in the opinion of many to be one of the weakest in recent memory. See there how I differentiated between fact and opinion? Try it sometime.

Lol Really? This entire discussion has never been about Allen's 40 time. I stated pretty early on that 40 times are irrelevant to me, as they are to most whose opinions bear any significance. You yourself stated they were meaningless but found an ideal to opportunity to use them to your benefit here so you decided that you'd make them count just this once, regardless of the additional factors surrounding the event as a whole.

No, where you come into play is where you tried to label Hopkins as superior and gave a list of reasons why, all of which were challenged and shown to be untrue. After that, you simply ran from your argument entirely and have resorted to nothing but cheap, frankly meaningless pot shots and nothing more.

[XClown1986]

I have yet to acknowledge it because when you made the comment that he struggles catching footballs I just laughed and made a mental note to not consider anything you say as viable.

Isnt that what you wanted? To stop being mean to you? There you go. To challenge either of those aspects is silly. He's recieved enormous amounts of praise for both of those things. I really am not interested in what your trip to youtube taught you when held up against the endless waves of praise. Is that mean? Sorry. But you pushed the issue, and there's my honest response.

I have more credibility than you will hope to get. I don't give a fug about you being mean. I think it's ridiculous at times, but that's your problem. The fact is, you are wrong. Period. You can't even acknowledge it. It's shameful. Keenan Allen is NOT renowned for his hands. He just isn't. He may have one of the best catching radius' of the receiving class but that is a height and body control talent, which is something I did praise him for. However, his hands are mediocre, he won't fight for tough yardage like you would want, and he won't blow the top off of a defense. These are not qualities that would allow him to be regarded as the best prospect in the class. He is of no kin to you, so quit defending the man's flaws.

[LinvilleGorge]

Lol Really? This entire discussion has never been about Allen's 40 time. I stated pretty early on that 40 times are irrelevant to me, as they are to most whose opinions bear any significance. You yourself stated they were meaningless but found an ideal to opportunity to use them to your benefit here so you decided that you'd make them count just this once, regardless of the additional factors surrounding the event as a whole.

No, where you come into play is where you tried to label Hopkins as superior and gave a list of reasons why, all of which were challenged and shown to be untrue. After that, you simply ran from your argument entirely and have resorted to nothing but cheap, frankly meaningless pot shots and nothing more.

I didn't say that 40 times were irrelevant, I said that I'm not usually a guy that makes a big deal about them. It seems to be a trend of yours to conveniently twist the words and opinions of others into what you want them to be. The only time I make a big deal out of 40 times is when they're an outlying statistic - crazy fast or crazy slow. In terms of NFL WRs, Allen's falls into the crazy slow category.

What have you shown to be untrue? You continue to tout opinions as facts. You have shown a clear and demonstrable lack of understanding of the difference between the two.

[Growl]

I agree with catch radius, and a lot of that is about Maynard. If it gets remotely near him he's getting his hands on it....

I've seen some comparisons to Fitzgerald in that aspect. I find that entirely too extreme- Larry catches the football better than anyone, ever- but I do think that he may settle into a middle ground between Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin, likely leaning closer to Q than Fitz. That's a sure fire number 14 pick in my eyes.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

Def pass on a wr that runs a 4.7 and body catches...posession wr or not you need some sort of speed to play in the nfl

[C47]

Def pass on a wr that runs a 4.7 and body catches...posession wr or not you need some sort of speed to play in the nfl

Again, Anquan Boldin is a 4.7 guy.....

[Growl]

I didn't say that 40 times were irrelevant, I said that I'm not usually a guy that makes a big deal about them. It seems to be a trend of yours to conveniently twist the words and opinions of others into what you want them to be. The only time I make a big deal out of 40 times is when they're an outlying statistic - crazy fast or crazy slow. In terms of NFL WRs, Allen's falls into the crazy slow category.

What have you shown to be untrue? You continue to tout opinions as facts. You have shown a clear and demonstrable lack of understanding of the difference between the two.

And you continue to resist factual arguments against your stated opinion as an excuse to not being forced to accept them.

There is nothing about opinionated about Keenan Allen missing games with injury. There is nothing opinonated about Tahj Boyd being a good QB and Maynard being terrible. These are well documented facts thats you are trying to oppose for no other reason than they provide an unfortunate roadblock to your inital argument, and, quite frankly, demonstrate that overall knowledge of the situation is limited.

You can stick your fingers in your ears all you like and sing "LALALALALALA" as loud as you want, but at the end of the day, the sky is still blue.

[Growl]

Def pass on a wr that runs a 4.7 and body catches...posession wr or not you need some sort of speed to play in the nfl

body catches? lol

[CPF4LIFE]

I didn't say that 40 times were irrelevant, I said that I'm not usually a guy that makes a big deal about them. It seems to be a trend of yours to conveniently twist the words and opinions of others into what you want them to be. The only time I make a big deal out of 40 times is when they're an outlying statistic - crazy fast or crazy slow. In terms of NFL WRs, Allen's falls into the crazy slow category.

What have you shown to be untrue? You continue to tout opinions as facts. You have shown a clear and demonstrable lack of understanding of the difference between the two.

Allen is definitely not "crazy slow" and you can see that just from his highlights, if anything he wasnt even 100% percent today considering his injury. Trainers said today he was only about 75% in his surrounding muscles of his knee.

[Growl]

I have more credibility than you will hope to get. I don't give a fug about you being mean. I think it's ridiculous at times, but that's your problem. The fact is, you are wrong. Period. You can't even acknowledge it. It's shameful. Keenan Allen is NOT renowned for his hands. He just isn't. He may have one of the best catching radius' of the receiving class but that is a height and body control talent, which is something I did praise him for. However, his hands are mediocre, he won't fight for tough yardage like you would want, and he won't blow the top off of a defense. These are not qualities that would allow him to be regarded as the best prospect in the class. He is of no kin to you, so quit defending the man's flaws.

When a person is willing to come down to the nitty gritty and refuse to accept the truth to avoid being wrong, this is what you get folks.

"I don't care what the entire world says!! YOu're wrong I say, WRRROOOONNNGG!"

lol

[LinvilleGorge]

And you continue to resist factual arguments against your stated opinion as an excuse to not being forced to accept them.

There is nothing about opinionated about Keenan Allen missing games with injury. There is nothing opinonated about Tahj Boyd being a good QB and Maynard being terrible. These are well documented facts thats you are trying to oppose for no other reason than they provide an unfortunate roadblock to your inital argument, and, quite frankly, demonstrate that overall knowledge of the situation is limited.

You can stick your fingers in your ears all you like and sing "LALALALALALA" as loud as you want, but at the end of the day, the sky is still blue.

What FACTS have you stated? Please, point them out. You continue to tout opinions as fact.

The only fact I see here is that Allen missed games due to injury.

You then go on to clearly state an opinion as fact - a popular opinion, but none the less an opinion. I share the opinion that Maynard is terrible, but I don't think Boyd isn't as good as you make him out to be - an opinion supported by the fact that he was given a 2cd day draft grade by the advisory committee.

I don't know how you expect anyone to take you seriously when you continue to cloud the difference between fact and opinion.