Keenan Allen Pro Day Tommorow.

[SmashNDash]

I did watch that game and i notice more that the Oline couldn't Block. WR not getting separation wasn't near the problem as the Oline in that game.

That was also not our true starting O-Line, who knows who was at center and guard that game. Bottom line is if they are blitzing heavily, you need to start using screens and 3 stop drop patterns, and if your WR can't get any separation on a slant, or doesn't scare a DB enough to be able to run a curl or comeback, then you have problems.

Also note, while you may not have seen separation as being as big of a problem that game, go look at the Raiders IR last year. They were decimated at DB, and Michael Huff was playing corner they were so desperate. This wasn't them struggling to get open against Revis, Sherman, or any starter, these were the 3rd and 4th string corners and safety for THE RAIDERS.

[rayzor]

You might put unreasonable expectations on a position, I don't think I am. If you draft a guy at 14 and you have 5 picks you have to hit on your first and second rounder, particularly if you have little wiggle room in free agency and are cap strapped. So if that is the case then you pick first rounders at positions of need who are going to start or contribute day 1 not a few years down the road. We don't have the luxury we did with Davis to draft a guy at 14 and develop him for a few years. We need a starter or impact guy. And there are those guys in the draft this year. Fluker at right tackle would be a plug and play guy right away. We move Bell inside and offensive line is solved right away. We find a NT in the draft and the defensive line is solved right away. We get a starting caliber corner or safety that can start we solve the secondary right away. Truth is that one of the positions where we don't need an immediate starter and can go with what we have is receiver. And is it unreasonable to pick a guy who is healthy instead of a maybe who is no better than 4 or 5 guys out there who is healthy?? I don't think so. Just an observation....................

i've got no problem with wanting a guy to be healthy.

i just keep reading people say that we shouldn't draft so and so WR at 14 because they aren't at julio jones/aj green/megatron elite status. and it's not just that, i see it with other positions. it's unrealistic to expect that. it's ok to draft a WR at 14 that isn't at that elite, ready to start day one, level just like it's ok to draft any player at 14 that isn't elite because chances are, if they were elite they wouldn't have lasted that long.

people dog harder on that when it's a position that they just really don't want us to draft.

this draft has very few elite players in it. not that every draft is overflowing with elite talent, but this draft is one that you are going to have to settle for not-quite-elite at 14 or whatever, but that doesn't take away that there's talent there.

i think it would be great to draft a plug and play starter, but i don't want us to be limited to just areas that we need starters, despite my campaigning for WR in one of the first couple rounds. i agree about those other positions, but i think WR is right up there on the priority list and isn't much of a drop in the level of talent compared to the other positions, if there is any drop at all (which i don't think there is).

i also think that an added WR in the first or second (or even third if we can pick one up) can have just as much of an impact as those other positions. the WR corps needs help, not just now, but in getting ready for life after smitty.

[koolkatluke]

That was also not our true starting O-Line, who knows who was at center and guard that game. Bottom line is if they are blitzing heavily, you need to start using screens and 3 stop drop patterns, and if your WR can't get any separation on a slant, or doesn't scare a DB enough to be able to run a curl or comeback, then you have problems.

Also note, while you may not have seen separation as being as big of a problem that game, go look at the Raiders IR last year. They were decimated at DB, and Michael Huff was playing corner they were so desperate. This wasn't them struggling to get open against Revis, Sherman, or any starter, these were the 3rd and 4th string corners and safety for THE RAIDERS.

1. So what if it wasn't our true Oline. The point was who ever was out there couldn't block. Making your whole thing about Wr's not getting separation in that game un- judgeable. Cam never had time to find WR's. Even on his TD pass he was on the run.

2. And if your whole point is the WR couldn't get open in that one game. Then look at the 2nd Falcon game. We can all agree that the Falcons have 1 of the top Wr corps. What happen to them in the 1st half o that game when they were going against our patch work secondary? My point is it can happen to any Wr group. You can't try to make a final judgement on them not getting separation off of 1game.

Another example the Giants got shut out by the Falcons and they have a great WR corp. Does that mean that Cruz and Nicks never get separation because of that one game.

[koolkatluke]

i've got no problem with wanting a guy to be healthy.

i just keep reading people say that we shouldn't draft so and so WR at 14 because they aren't at julio jones/aj green/megatron elite status. and it's not just that, i see it with other positions. it's unrealistic to expect that. it's ok to draft a WR at 14 that isn't at that elite, ready to start day one, level just like it's ok to draft any player at 14 that isn't elite because chances are, if they were elite they wouldn't have lasted that long.

people dog harder on that when it's a position that they just really don't want us to draft.

this draft has very few elite players in it. not that every draft is overflowing with elite talent, but this draft is one that you are going to have to settle for not-quite-elite at 14 or whatever, but that doesn't take away that there's talent there.

i think it would be great to draft a plug and play starter, but i don't want us to be limited to just areas that we need starters, despite my campaigning for WR in one of the first couple rounds. i agree about those other positions, but i think WR is right up there on the priority list and isn't much of a drop in the level of talent compared to the other positions, if there is any drop at all (which i don't think there is).

i also think that an added WR in the first or second (or even third if we can pick one up) can have just as much of an impact as those other positions. the WR corps needs help, not just now, but in getting ready for life after smitty.

You could be missing the point here. Some are arguing the no elite WR point in stressing the need for a starter. No matter the position in the first 2 picks. In some people's opinion there isn't a WR in this draft that is a sure fire guy that day 1 challenges Lafell and Smith for the starting job. So if you have doubts if this guy can give you instant impact from day one. Why draft him instead of a position that can?

[rayzor]

i think there's plenty of guys who can challenge lafell for the starting gig...at least 5, but even at that, the third WR is pretty much a starting gig because of the amount of playtime they'd be getting...which would be significant just due to the talent that would be available in that player.

my point is that WR just shouldn't and wont be ruled outright because of needs at other positions and players already at that position. WR is more than likely going to be among the first couple picks so all this back and forth is pretty pointless. I'm just saying to be ready for it.

[koolkatluke]

i think there's plenty of guys who can challenge lafell for the starting gig...at least 5, but even at that, the third WR is pretty much a starting gig because of the amount of playtime they'd be getting...which would be significant just due to the talent that would be available in that player.

my point is that WR just shouldn't and wont be ruled outright because of needs at other positions and players already at that position. WR is more than likely going to be among the first couple picks so all this back and forth is pretty pointless. I'm just saying to be ready for it.

1. The fact that there is doubt that they can beat out Lafell is a red flag for me. And if there isn't doubt in your mind about that then your close minded and not doing your research.

2. We don't know the type of offense we are going to be running this season. But if you look at Shula history and the money invested at the RB position. You can get a idea that we won't be running a GB, NO, and NE type of offense where you throw the ball 65% to 70% of the time. So where is the value in a 3rd Wr when you run the ball just as much as you pass? Not to mention you have a pro bowl type TE that will get his touches as well. Plain and simple if you can tell me that you honestly believe we will be using 3 wr sets 60% of the time then I will agree WR is the way to go.

3. I think they will pick a WR this year. We are just debating how good of a move it will be.

You don't have to agree with every move your favorite team makes. Lord knows I didn't agree with everything Hurney did.

[rayzor]

the problem is drafting for need vs. drafting for talent. if you limit your choices to just a couple areas that you think need more help or need a better starter, then you are likely missing out on serious talent.

it's obvious they are looking at several positions, esp. WR and the fact that they are looking at guys predominantly slated to go in the first couple rounds tells you 1) that they consider it a top priority 2) that they feel confident that they would be intended for a starting gig and 3) either they aren't impressed with lafell as a #2 or they feel that they would be up for the #1 gig when smitty goes or 3) they think it's incredibly important to upgrade the WR corps as a whole. they could just be wanting to get that WR that cam could grow with in the offense.

true, we don't have to like what the FO does. i lived through years of fox/hurney that frustrated me constantly.

about us not knowing what kind of offense they are wanting to run with shula...i think we know that the intention will be to utilize the WRs more and have more talent overall there. anyone thinking that this will be an offense heavily slanted towards the run game is just as likely wrong as those who think it will be heavily slanted towards the passing game. the goal is to be balanced and dynamic and to elevate the talent level at WR to at least the talent level at RB. at least that's what I'm seeing.

[iamhubby1]

Hey, I realize half the fun of speculating on the draft is debating your hopes. But we all have to agree that BPA at 14 is probably going to start. Taking that into account. Do you still want a WR? Personally, I say yes. Some of these kids will be making plays next year. Why not for us?

[CPF4LIFE]

1. The fact that there is doubt that they can beat out Lafell is a red flag for me. And if there isn't doubt in your mind about that then your close minded and not doing your research.

2. We don't know the type of offense we are going to be running this season. But if you look at Shula history and the money invested at the RB position. You can get a idea that we won't be running a GB, NO, and NE type of offense where you throw the ball 65% to 70% of the time. So where is the value in a 3rd Wr when you run the ball just as much as you pass? Not to mention you have a pro bowl type TE that will get his touches as well. Plain and simple if you can tell me that you honestly believe we will be using 3 wr sets 60% of the time then I will agree WR is the way to go.

3. I think they will pick a WR this year. We are just debating how good of a move it will be.

You don't have to agree with every move your favorite team makes. Lord knows I didn't agree with everything Hurney did.

Sorry, but you are the only one that thinks that.

[koolkatluke]

Sorry, but you are the only one that thinks that.

No I'm actually not but you can have your opinion. Mine is back by some facts yours really isn't but like i said you can have it.

[koolkatluke]

Hey, I realize half the fun of speculating on the draft is debating your hopes. But we all have to agree that BPA at 14 is probably going to start. Taking that into account. Do you still want a WR? Personally, I say yes. Some of these kids will be making plays next year. Why not for us?

Dude if we had allocated the few dollars we had in FA to the other position. I would agree with you. But since we didn't get a Philips , Canty, or a starting Caliber CB. And instead signed 2 WR i can't be happy on using most our offseason resources on 1 position.

[CPF4LIFE]

No I'm actually not but you can have your opinion. Mine is back by some facts yours really isn't but like i said you can have it.

Actually, i gave you my facts last week. But whatever, everybody knows this is a never ending argument with you so not starting anything. You have only got two more weeks anyway till all this is shot, then you will see how much they really think of Lafell yourself.

[koolkatluke]

Actually, i gave you my facts last week. But whatever, everybody knows this is a never ending argument with you so not starting anything. You have only got two more weeks anyway till all this is shot, then you will see how much they really think of Lafell yourself.

You didn't give me facts. You gave a opinion. You can't have facts when predicting something. It is not a fact that any WR in this draft could beat out Lafell for the number 2 spot. All you have is your opinion and your precived disappointment in Lafell. But if you weren't so short sighted and did some research. You would notice that if you were to put Lafell scouting report, combine performance and college production and game tape up against the WR in this draft he would rank in the top 5 of this class. Add in the "actual" facts they he knows the systems, he has experience playing with Cam and has 3 years of professional game time experience. Not to mention his blocking ability. And you could see all the advantages he has over any rookie in this draft.

The only reasons you wouldn't have doubts is if there was a Megatron, AJ Green or Fitz in this draft. Meaning a elite talent that day one not only challenges Lafell but 89 as well. And we all agree there isn't one of these guys in this draft.

[panthers55]

i've got no problem with wanting a guy to be healthy.

i just keep reading people say that we shouldn't draft so and so WR at 14 because they aren't at julio jones/aj green/megatron elite status. and it's not just that, i see it with other positions. it's unrealistic to expect that. it's ok to draft a WR at 14 that isn't at that elite, ready to start day one, level just like it's ok to draft any player at 14 that isn't elite because chances are, if they were elite they wouldn't have lasted that long.

people dog harder on that when it's a position that they just really don't want us to draft.

this draft has very few elite players in it. not that every draft is overflowing with elite talent, but this draft is one that you are going to have to settle for not-quite-elite at 14 or whatever, but that doesn't take away that there's talent there.

i think it would be great to draft a plug and play starter, but i don't want us to be limited to just areas that we need starters, despite my campaigning for WR in one of the first couple rounds. i agree about those other positions, but i think WR is right up there on the priority list and isn't much of a drop in the level of talent compared to the other positions, if there is any drop at all (which i don't think there is).

i also think that an added WR in the first or second (or even third if we can pick one up) can have just as much of an impact as those other positions. the WR corps needs help, not just now, but in getting ready for life after smitty.

I know you will say I am just putting off things but honestly I would look to find Smitty's replacement next year not this. Why? Next year there will be more free agents than this year given all the 1 year contracts in addition to the regular guys going into free agency. The market will be even more depressed than this year. Which means we might get some elite players for a bargain. Why not one at wide receiver. It also gives us a chance to give Hixon and Ginn as well as Adams, Gettis enough touches to see what they can do without worrying about a rookie who is developing. It lets up solve some other issues on the lines or secondary this year in the draft. And it gives Gettleman time to really see what we need and another free agent period next year to shore up all the need positions so we can focus on positions like receiver in the top of the draft.

I understand that WR is a huge want but it might not be a huge need. We have guys who can fill each slot and who were drafted to do just that. We don't have to have another WR to be competitive. Can we say the same thing about either the offensive or defensive line. Is Fua our man in the middle?? Can we go with Hangartner again this year. If either of those answers are no, then you know where we need to find an immediate upgrade and haven't done so. They are not just wants but are have tos. That immediately elevates them above WR and dictates where we should go with one of our first 2 picks unless all the quality plug and play guys are gone. If not a linemen then I would be looking for a corner and a safety in the first 2 rounds. That for me puts receiver as the fifth biggest need which is why I wouldn't draft one before the 4th.

I understand this is just my conjecture and obviously there are intriguing players at wide receiver like Austin who will likely be gone by 14 and Hunter who will go somewhere between the end of the first and the second round like Allen and Patterson will as well. And I could be totally off base as to what we will actually do but I wouldn't touch a receiver until I had addressed some of these other more pressing needs.