Keenan Allen Pro Day Tommorow.

[panthers55]

Why are you acting like you're an expert? From the person accusing people of trying to be experts. Pretty funny

Read the earlier post where I said I was a fan and not an expert. If you think I act and talk like an expert then thanks for the compliment but I am surely not. I am just a fan like you and others. I am one of the few here who readily admit it.

[panthers55]

Whos you to say he doesn't look like a 4.5 guy in those highlights. And you're disagreeing with Mayock's words?

You sound like a hypocrite. Acting like you know more than others around here with "no credentials to back it up". The ones pointing the fingers always are the hypocrites.

Why the circular arguments? I never said he looked like a 4.5 guy or didn't. I said I don't believe that trying to determine the difference between a 4.5 and 4.7 guy by watching game film is accurate to say one or the other definitive. I said he ran 4.7 and Mayock is making excuses to justify his position. What happened to everyone being able to have an opinion.....

[carolina-chuck]

Read the earlier post where I said I was a fan and not an expert. If you think I act and talk like an expert then thanks for the compliment but I am surely not. I am just a fan like you and others. I am one of the few here who readily admit it.

Everyone here admits they talk as fans that's why we're all in a fuggn fantasy forum man. If you think anyone here including myself talked like an expert, thank you too for the compliments. You're such a hypocrite.

[panthers55]

Whos you to say he doesn't look like a 4.5 guy in those highlights. And you're disagreeing with Mayock's words?

You sound like a hypocrite. Acting like you know more than others around here with "no credentials to back it up". The ones pointing the fingers always are the hypocrites.

So if you point the finger at me like you are doing, does that make you the hypocrite?

[carolina-chuck]

Why the circular arguments? I never said he looked like a 4.5 guy or didn't. I said I don't believe that trying to determine the difference between a 4.5 and 4.7 guy by watching game film is accurate to say one or the other definitive. I said he ran 4.7 and Mayock is making excuses to justify his position. What happened to everyone being able to have an opinion.....

Lol what happened to everyone being able to have an opinion? Ask yourself that bro. Gah what a hypocrite. Hypocrite . Hypocrite.

[carolina-chuck]

So if you point the finger at me like you are doing, does that make you the hypocrite?

I'm not. I never accused anyone of being Mayock.

[panthers55]

Everyone here admits they talk as fans that's why we're all in a fuggn fantasy forum man. If you think anyone here including myself talked like an expert, thank you too for the compliments. You're such a hypocrite.

Saying he looks like a 4.5 guy to me assumes you know what one looks like and can tell the difference between a 4.5 guy and a 4.7 guy. That assumes you have some kind of expertise to tell the difference which wouldn't be obvious to the casual fan. I called BS and you have been the one on the attack calling me a hypocrite.

Casual fans don't make statements like that and I am smart enough to know that and don't do it. And no, I don't think you are an expert, I think you are a pseudo expert. You seem to be the only one who misses the distinction.

But I won't keep going back and forth because I have seen you do this for pages like other posters we know. Think what you want and get in the last word.

[carolina-chuck]

Saying he looks like a 4.5 guy to me assumes you know what one looks like and can tell the difference between a 4.5 guy and a 4.7 guy. That assumes you have some kind of expertise to tell the difference which wouldn't be obvious to the casual fan. I called BS and you have been the one on the attack calling me a hypocrite.

Casual fans don't make statements like that and I am smart enough to know that and don't do it. And no, I don't think you are an expert, I think you are a pseudo expert. You seem to be the only one who misses the distinction.

But I won't keep going back and forth because I have seen you do this for pages like other posters we know. Think what you want and get in the last word.

I can sure distinguished it bc Keenan didn't look like a Tyler Eifert running in the highlights.

You too funny bro.

[MadHatter]

I can sure distinguished it bc Keenan didn't look like a Tyler Eifert running in the highlights.

You too funny bro.

I think that anyone who thinks they can discerne the differences in what aa 4.5 guy and a 4.7 guy look like on tape are totally full of poo. We are talking about 2/10th of a second over 40 yards......that is the blink of an eye.

[carolina-chuck]

I think that anyone who thinks they can discerne the differences in what aa 4.5 guy and a 4.7 guy look like on tape are totally full of poo. We are talking about 2/10th of a second over 40 yards......that is the blink of an eye.

I never said I can tell the differences in time. My point is he doesn't look like a Tyler Eifert 4.6-4.7 guy on those highlights. Tell me if you disagree.

[Marguide]

I think that anyone who thinks they can discerne the differences in what aa 4.5 guy and a 4.7 guy look like on tape are totally full of poo. We are talking about 2/10th of a second over 40 yards......that is the blink of an eye.

So, given that, why should anyone make a big deal out of his 4.7 on a less than 100% leg?

[panthers55]

So, given that, why should anyone make a big deal out of his 4.7 on a less than 100% leg?

The issue isn't about running a 4.5 or 4.7, it is about posters that say they can tell the difference on game film especially when they aren't using a split screen or other mechanism to be able to compare them side by side. Like when they compare people running a 40 at the combine. Because everything is the same you can line up film side by side and compare them. Watching two guys running a route on a football field and saying you can tell the difference between a 4..5 and 4.7 is just ridiculous.

There is a difference for sure but it isn't discernible to a casual fan or even most self-proclaimed experts, IMO.

It is analogous to saying you can tell the difference between a car going 55 miles an hour and a different one going 60 miles an hour on different days and different tracks. Is there a difference?? Yep. It is easily discernible?? Not to most anyone. Doesn't mean they are the same though or that it doesn't matter.

[Marguide]

The issue isn't about running a 4.5 or 4.7, it is about posters that say they can tell the difference on game film especially when they aren't using a split screen or other mechanism to be able to compare them side by side. Like when they compare people running a 40 at the combine. Because everything is the same you can line up film side by side and compare them. Watching two guys running a route on a football field and saying you can tell the difference between a 4..5 and 4.7 is just ridiculous.

There is a difference for sure but it isn't discernible to a casual fan or even most self-proclaimed experts, IMO.

It is analogous to saying you can tell the difference between a car going 55 miles an hour and a different one going 60 miles an hour on different days and different tracks. Is there a difference?? Yep. It is easily discernible?? Not to most anyone. Doesn't mean they are the same though or that it doesn't matter.

If (and granted it's a fairly big if) Allen has no continuing injury concerns going forward, the fact he ran a 4.7 given his size and style of play shouldn't disqualify him as a potential pick in the 1st. He's not going to be a burner like a young Steve Smith or Percy Harvin, but he knows how to use his body to create separation and should become an excellent red zone receiver, something we've lacked for too long.

I would feel more comfortable projecting success for a guy like Keenan than a speedy guy that checks in at 5'8". Unfortunately, we're not going to find many Calvin Johnson quality receivers at 14, but that doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't upgrade our WR corps, and I believe Allen would have a nice impact from day 1.

[panthers55]

If (and granted it's a fairly big if) Allen has no continuing injury concerns going forward, the fact he ran a 4.7 given his size and style of play shouldn't disqualify him as a potential pick in the 1st. He's not going to be a burner like a young Steve Smith or Percy Harvin, but he knows how to use his body to create separation and should become an excellent red zone receiver, something we've lacked for too long.

I would feel more comfortable projecting success for a guy like Keenan than a speedy guy that checks in at 5'8". Unfortunately, we're not going to find many Calvin Johnson quality receivers at 14, but that doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't upgrade our WR corps, and I believe Allen would have a nice impact from day 1.

The injury concerns are a big deal especially given our history. And when have we ever had a receiver make a big impact year 1?? Smith?? Nope...... Moose? Nope. Anyone? Nope

But an injured guy who may be months away from even practicing is going to be the first???

Color me skeptical.