Keenan Allen Pro Day Tommorow.

[LinvilleGorge]

Right. Go ahead and let me know if you still feel this way when the day comes where someone tries to viciously have you accept that the sky is purple. We'll see if you hold onto this wonderful sentiment.

That statement had nothing to do with the draft or football. It had everything to do with your ability to think rationally, communicate intelligently, and be intellectually honest.

Nothing that happens on draft day will have any impact on those things.

[Udogg]

Running in a straight line quickly in this sport is so ridiculously meaningless it can't even be measured just how worthless it is.

If I were you I would say something like " OMG, it obvious you know nothing by that statement and I will disregard everything you have to say because you obviously know nothing about football".

However I will say that straight line speed is not totally worthless. Mike Wallace has straight line speed, Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones , AJ Green all have 4.52 or better 40 times. As a matter of fact of the top 30 Recievers in the NFL last year .. only 2 ran slower 4.56 seconds at their pro day. Of those 2 Wes Welker and Jason Witten the both ran faster that 4.71. Saying it's ridiculously meaningless is so biased its comical.

[Growl]

If I were you I would say something like " OMG, it obvious you know nothing by that statement and I will disregard everything you have to say because you obviously know nothing about football".

However I will say that straight line speed is not totally worthless. Mike Wallace has straight line speed, Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones , AJ Green all have 4.52 or better 40 times. As a matter of fact of the top 30 Recievers in the NFL last year .. only 2 ran slower 4.56 seconds at their pro day. Of those 2 Wes Welker and Jason Witten the both ran faster that 4.71. Saying it's ridiculously meaningless is so biased its comical.

Allen ran a 4.56 coming out of high school. His doctor said prior to today's workout the muscles in his knee are at at 75%, and he still ended up running a 4.67. I'm sure you'll discard these things, however.

[Udogg]

Allen has the ability to get open with a big catch radius so that some what makes up for his lack of speed. I'm just wondering if that Allen would make the WR dangerous enough by committee. Can Ginn be enough to be a deep threat with Allen, LaFell, Hixon, and Smitty working the field? I like Allen alot but do we have guys on the roster to give us the speed we need at the position. Smitty is still pretty fast, Adams and Armanti are pretty quick but they've shown nothing, Gettis could very likely be cut.

One thing Allen could do is provide a redzone threat which is something we could definitely use.

Actually now that I think about it. Smith, Allen, Lafell, and Hixon should be good enough with Olsen. Would still like to see some speed but that group should have no problem moving the chains. I still expect improvement from LaFell.

Yeah kind of like I feel. I mean Allen is definitely better than Lafell and has some run after the catch ability. But I don't think it's in the same category of an Austin or Patterson. I think their down field ability would put huge pressure on defenses to account of them + Smitty plus Olsen plus the running game.

[Udogg]

Allen ran a 4.56 coming out of high school. His doctor said prior to today's workout the muscles in his knee are at at 75%, and he still ended up running a 4.67. I'm sure you'll discard these things, however.

So are you saying it's a useful or not useful statistic?

[Growl]

That statement had nothing to do with the draft or football. It had everything to do with your ability to think rationally, communicate intelligently, and be intellectually honest.

Nothing that happens on draft day will have any impact on those things.

And my comment has nothing to do with the Huddle. It has everything to do with life in general. You're willing to let people spread misinformation in the real world, and allow others to accept such things. I frankly, have a vested interest in the truth and won't simply allow someone to freely pass along false information that they constructed or took from a poor source.

Guess that's simply a philisophical difference, you alright with falsehoods, I'm not, but your stance is rooted in the notion that somehow "everybody" can be right, when clearly, that isn't the case. An opinion that is incorrect is still just that, incorrect, and, I truly look forward to the moment when you realize the irony of it all. That labeling something as an "opinion" and truth as "tyrannical" is almost always nothing more than a ploy to defend an argument that the user realizes isn't true.

[Growl]

So are you saying it's a useful or not useful statistic?

I've well stated that it's essentially useless. If you're going to pass on that information to others, however, I at least wanted to ensure it was accurate. Stating that Allen ran a 4.7 is not only inaccurate, it's a narrow, taken out of context view, that I'm sure your content to ignore as long as it supports your inital argument.

[LinvilleGorge]

What have I stated that is demonstrably false? I have stated things that are contrary to your opinion but that does not make them false.

I can't imagine the enormous ego one must possess to view his opinions as universal truths.

[OneBadCat]

Yeah kind of like I feel. I mean Allen is definitely better than Lafell and has some run after the catch ability. But I don't think it's in the same category of an Austin or Patterson. I think their down field ability would put huge pressure on defenses to account of them + Smitty plus Olsen plus the running game.

I agree. And actually with Allen and Smitty, I could see Hixon having big opportunities for success as well. That dude is a quality player, good route runner and has some speed. He should be pretty useful to us.

[Growl]

What have I stated that is demonstrably false? I have stated things that are contrary to your opinion but that does not make them false.

I can't imagine the enormous ego one must possess to view his opinions as universal truths.

Do I really have to list them out again?

I'm going to lunch.

[LinvilleGorge]

At this endeavor, I've just accepted the fact that he's either trolling or delusional. He acts like his favorite prospects are consensus HOFers. Say otherwise and he'll claim you're lying. It's entertaining as hell.

Pretty much this

[Growl]

At this endeavor, I've just accepted the fact that he's either trolling or delusional. He acts like his favorite prospects are consensus HOFers. Say otherwise and he'll claim you're lying. It's entertaining as hell.

Isn't it funny how you run away when you're asked by someone to providing a supporting structure for something?

Talk about trolling. lol. Is this Grits?

[LinvilleGorge]

Do I really have to list them out again?

I'm going to lunch.

Again, because you disagree with something does not make it demonstrably false.

[SmashNDash]

Lol.

Oh my gosh guys! His 40 time!

And, just for the record, his official 40 time was a 4.67, with doctor stating prior to the workout that the muscles in his leg were only at 75%

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This is addressed to you too C47.

Here comes the ignorant butthurt 40 time apologizers and Keenan Allen jockstrap holders, who immediately throw around names, and feel they are better evaluators of talent then anyone else because they're too good for 40 time.

1a. If your argument includes justifying something because of Jerry Rice(or any other guy who was clearly the #1 player all at the position), then you've already jumped the shark and your entire argument is invalid.

1b. Jerry Rice was great, but he also benefitted from having 2 Hall of Famers at QB, and he was also from several generations ago when DBs were much slower. There is a huge difference between the DBs of the 80s and 90s and the ones in 2010, so you can't compare a 40 time he ran in 1984 and his effectiveness then to one TWENTY NINE YEARS LATER.

Boldin benefited form arguably the best or second best WR in the league lining up on the opposite side of him in Arizona, and always played the role of #2. In Baltimore he primarily lined up in the slot. Why? Because he's big and physical, and creates mismatches in the slot, and too slow to get open consistently on the outside. Go look at all his big catches, Boldin played a role similar to how to flex out Greg Olsen in our offense, creating mismatches due to size in the middle of the field. We aren't drafting a #2 or a slot guy, we're trying to draft a future #1 of the next decade.

2. You'd think fans of this franchise would have learned after all this time the importance of drafting healthy players. How many picks have we spent on the David Gettis', Brandon Hogans, Drew Carters, Beasons, Davis(love his comeback though), Otahs, Dan Morgans, and many others that had one injury snowball into years of playing 5 games and going to IR. The 14th pick in the draft needs to be someone who can start day 1 on the field and stay there. You don't spend the 14th pick on someone who may or may not be the same again.

3. Say he had a terrible QB all you want, but the reason people expect highlight plays from WR is not because of fast 40 times, it's because the DBS THEY FACE WOULD NEVER MAKE IT IN THE NFL. If they guy is worth anything in the NFL, he should be able to make highlight plays against Pac 10 scrub corners that would be happy to be a special teams unit for 1-2 years and then flame out of the league.

I like Keenan, but not as a 14th pick, there is too much risk and his potential to be a future #1 is not there to me. Stop with your hipster "40 time is so overrated" attitude and blind homerism. And stop making a big deal of Rivera being there, if a coach didn't visit a Pro Day that's a hour away and ran by one of our assistants, then that'd be weird.