GP's 3rd and Final Mock Draft

[CollegePanther]

Games are won in the trenches. I believe that.

The issue is its not hard to find a OG that can come in and play ok-good. Sorta like DT. You saw how much our DL improved by bringing in two average at best vets.

Its not a premium position like OT where its hard to find quality players.

Id be completely fine with an OG in the first if we didnt need major help in other areas.

You can get good OG's later in the draft.

Maybe if we signed a solid veteran like Brandon Moore, but it doesn't look like were going after any starting OL in free agency so that's what leads me to believe we draft guard early. It's definitely not a luxury pick. We drafted guard in the second last year and even he struggled; so i wouldn't go looking for a starter in the later rounds. Who do you see worthy of the no. 14 pick? Be realistic, no trading back... There's no NT worthy unless star falls, we've somewhat covered CB in free agency, and the safety class is extremely deep.

[rscott94]

Warmack..... Williams..... Stills

[Growl]

This is one of the more disappointing mocks I've seen.

[Growl]

There is literally no point in adding a receiver beyond round two. I don't know why people still mock us taking one there as if theyre "addressing a position of need."

We have a parade of AFL level talents already vying for spots on the roster. We don't need another. We either seek to legitimately address the position by investing in it, or we ignore it yet again. Thats what were looking at here.

"but but but Growl! This time it's for real! Just give him a chance! We'll find that diamond in the rough! It'll work this time!"

[CollegePanther]

There is literally no point in adding a receiver beyond round two. I don't know why people still mock us taking one there as if theyre "addressing a position of need."

We have a parade of AFL level talents already vying for spots on the roster. We don't need another. We either seek to legitimately address the position by investing in it, or we ignore it yet again. Thats what were looking at here.

"but but but Growl! This time it's for real! Just give him a chance! We'll find that diamond in the rough! It'll work this time!"

Do you know anything about football? WR isn't a need imo, you find guys in later rounds that you can develop. With that said, you can still find plenty of contributing WR past round two (e.g. Steve Smith, Lafell, Gettis, etc.) We have covered WR and CB in free agency. CB still isn't pretty but it's better than G and NT. Once you cover those two positions with two studs, we start looking pretty stout. What makes this draft disappointing for you? Because I didn't select a boom or bust player like Patterson in the first?

[Dash Global]

I am curious as to who you do like at 14. I've seen you bash the idea of taking Austin because "he's a slot guy." You don't like the idea of taking an elite guard at 14, or taking an elite UT at 14. There are no NTs that will be available there that are worthy of the pick. Your mock had us trading back, IIRC.

Don't think I'm attacking you here, I really am just curious as to who you actually would be okay with drafting at 14.

There isnt no one I like at 14 taking into account our needs and team makeup.

Im not sure there is an elite UT in this draft

As to your question of who I would be ok with drafting at 14...

Johnson

Allen

Rhodes

Vaccaro

Short

Cyprien

Hopkins

Hunter

Carradine

Trufant

J. Williams

[Growl]

Do you know anything about football? WR isn't a need imo, you find guys in later rounds that you can develop.

I'm sorry but this point is just laughable. It's so laughably opposite from the truth it rather negates anything else you have to say.

WR isn't a position you simply "get to when you can." it's not that game anymore. When you treat it that way, you get the Carolina panthers.

WR is a position you invest in. That's the NFL today and it's something you're going to just have to accept.

"but I swear guys! This is the year we finally nail that 5th round diamond in the rough! Think of the lethal tandem he and kealoha will form!!"

[Growl]

Guys, WRs aren't important! But Guards!! Guards are where the wins are folks!!! Argggh!! Big men!! Trenches!!! Arrrrggghh!!

[CollegePanther]

Well it seems like Gettleman agrees that big men win you games so that makes your thinking inappurtenant. You can't just go out and sign playmakers and expect them to go anywhere without blocking. Plus I highly doubt Gettlemen would sign Ginn and Hixon if he planned on drafting one in the first.

[rayzor]

Well it seems like Gettleman agrees that big men win you games so that makes your thinking inappurtenant. You can't just go out and sign playmakers and expect them to go anywhere without blocking. Plus I highly doubt Gettlemen would sign Ginn and Hixon if he planned on drafting one in the first.

people who bring this up usually forget to mention (or just missed that part) that he mentioned TD scorers before big men.

[CollegePanther]

people who bring this up usually forget to mention (or just missed that part) that he mentioned TD scorers before big men.

That includes TEs and which i think could be a big possibility early

[Growl]

Well it seems like Gettleman agrees that big men win you games so that makes your thinking inappurtenant. You can't just go out and sign playmakers and expect them to go anywhere without blocking. Plus I highly doubt Gettlemen would sign Ginn and Hixon if he planned on drafting one in the first.

There is so many fundamental flaws with your logic it's ridiculous.

For starters, as has been stated, when asked to give a priority list of what it takes to win games in today's league was

A. A quarterback

B. touchdown scorers

C. Pass rushers

And then finally, at 4th, was your beloved "big men."

So if Gettleman is the be all end all in this discussion-you just lost. This doesn't even factor in how well documented it has been on this forum that Gettleman comes from an organization and line of mentors that doesn't put a strong emphasis on taking offensive linemen high-but do value receivers.

The second part that is comical is your mention that we wouldn't have interest in adding a true receiver because we've added a kick returner and an oft injured back up, because it, along with the panthers parade of of incompetent nobodies who have ran through here the past ten years and contributed to our consistent sub mediocrity, is the fact, that it completely negates your initial point that receiver is a position you can just throw subpar talentless hacks at and get by with-as it all demonstrates that that clearly isn't the case. Not only because it's proven not to have worked, but because it's clearly not a sentiment Gettleman shares.

Maybe it's time to rework your argument and bust out the madden insults?

[rayzor]

That includes TEs and which i think could be a big possibility early

true and i wouldn't hate it.

in fact i admit to loving the idea of taking a WR with the first and pass catching TE with the second.

[CollegePanther]

There is so many fundamental flaws with your logic it's ridiculous.

For starters, as has been stated, when asked to give a priority list of what it takes to win games in today's league was

A. A quarterback

B. touchdown scorers

C. Pass rushers

And then finally, at 4th, was your beloved "big men."

So if Gettleman is the be all end all in this discussion-you just lost. This doesn't even factor in how well documented it has been on this forum that Gettleman comes from an organization and line of mentors that doesn't put a strong emphasis on taking offensive linemen high-but do value receivers.

The second part that is comical is your mention that we wouldn't have interest in adding a true receiver because we've added a kick returner and an oft injured back up, because it, along with the panthers parade of of incompetent nobodies who have ran through here the past ten years and contributed to our consistent sub mediocrity, is the fact, that it completely negates your initial point that receiver is a position you can just throw subpar talentless hacks at and get by with-as it all demonstrates that that clearly isn't the case. Not only because it's proven not to have worked, but because it's clearly not a sentiment Gettleman shares.

Maybe it's time to rework your argument and bust out the madden insults?

Let me try to put this in simpler terms for you:

QB- check

Pass Rushers- check

TD Scorers- check

OG- X

NT-X

Steve Smith is an incompetent nobody? He may be aging but he is still producing. Lafell and Olsen are much better players at their position than Geoff Hangartner, Sione Fua or Collin Cole. We can't afford to go another season with a patchwork OL or we'll be looking for a replacement for Cam. NT can probably be filled in another year with someone like Ron but I think this draft makes the most sense. You fill two positions that we've neglected for quite a few years with players that aren't that risky. WR is is a boom-or-bust position and I don't see any player worth the risk in the first. What WR would you take in the 1st or 2nd?