Kiper on Panthers draft

[carpanfan96]

And he's a constant body catcher can't read coverages. Might have a problem picking up the Playbook. And hasn't shown the ability consistently to high point a ball.

I just thought we should mention his weaknesses to.

That's most of his catches and drops from this past season, very few body catches in there. Strike 1 on his weaknesses.

He can clearly read coverage if you pay attention to his routes and where he sits in zones. Strike 2

There's quite a few jump balls in those videos as well. Strike 3.

His weakness are raw route running, but he's not as raw as many believe. He's smart football wise, anyone that's been around him will say that about him. His route running is easily fixable because of his speed, agility and cut ability. Mental lapses when catching easy passes, his drop percentage is extremely low at 4% so that's not a big deal either.

Playbook isn't a concern, he just showed up in Knoxville and took the #1 WR spot by the end of the season and was used a bunch in trick plays. (End arounds, him passing the ball with the option of running...ext..) Plus his coaches praise him, his football smarts and work ethic.

You struck out with those, gonna try again? His biggest weakness for the draft is the lack of tape on him against top level competition. The CB's in the video's I posted are NFL caliber players and he owned them with his route running, not speed.

[CPF4LIFE]

And without mentioning the situation or variables that should go along with your statement. This comment means nothing.

Eric Decker, Lance Moore, Julio Jones, Mike Williams, Victor Cruz, Justin Blackmon, Randall Cobb, Miles Austin, Ty Hilton, Jeremy Maclin, Torrey Smith, James Jones, Sidney Rice. Antonio Brown. Andre Roberts.

All i have put up better stats last year and none are number 1 receivers.

Here you go smart guy, this is a previous post by the way so Dont think im one of those posters that doesnt back up their statements. Look it up and see for yourself if you are still in denial.

[carpanfan96]

Eric Decker, Lance Moore, Julio Jones, Mike Williams, Victor Cruz, Justin Blackmon, Randall Cobb, Miles Austin, Ty Hilton, Jeremy Maclin, Torrey Smith, James Jones, Sidney Rice. Antonio Brown. Andre Roberts.

All i have put up better stats last year and none are number 1 receivers.

Here you go smart guy, this is a previous post by the way so Dont think im one of those posters that doesnt back up their statements. Look it up and see for yourself if you are still in denial.

Don't you know with KKL you can only use guys that were in the same type of offense as the Panthers? He's not going to listen to stats that say he's wrong or even scouts, he's always right.

So throw out everyone on that list but Rice, because that's the only one that counts.

[koolkatluke]

That's most of his catches and drops from this past season, very few body catches in there. Strike 1 on his weaknesses.

He can clearly read coverage if you pay attention to his routes and where he sits in zones. Strike 2

There's quite a few jump balls in those videos as well. Strike 3.

His weakness are raw route running, but he's not as raw as many believe. He's smart football wise, anyone that's been around him will say that about him. His route running is easily fixable because of his speed, agility and cut ability. Mental lapses when catching easy passes, his drop percentage is extremely low at 4% so that's not a big deal either.

Playbook isn't a concern, he just showed up in Knoxville and took the #1 WR spot by the end of the season and was used a bunch in trick plays. (End arounds, him passing the ball with the option of running...ext..) Plus his coaches praise him, his football smarts and work ethic.

You struck out with those, gonna try again? His biggest weakness for the draft is the lack of tape on him against top level competition. The CB's in the video's I posted are NFL caliber players and he owned them with his route running, not speed.

Most of his catches were body catches and since he only had 46 it's really a small sample. Most of his drops came on deep ball over shoulder catches or jump ball catches.

2. I'm on my phone so I can't post the video about his problem reading coverages and tipping off his routes and lining up behind the line of scrimmage to help him get off the line. But you read the same analysis but choose to ignore them.

3. What is quite a few? I can post a 4th round rated wr's with more jump ball catches. Stedman Bailey at 5'10 has more jump ball receptions.

4. Yes every scout says he is a raw route runner but it's no big deal in your mind. Yes i've heard this from you over and over again.

But to help you out a little his speed isn't elite and even if it was it won't help him run better routes. Improve technic and practice, practice,practice are the only things that help that.

Jerry Rice wasn't fast at all but was the best WR ever. Why is that?

5. He never took the number 1 wr spot in UT. WTF are you talking about? Do you remember Justin Hunter? Maybe you need to check your facts on that statement.

6. You did the research who were the WR 's like PATTERSON (meaning similar numbers similar experience and drafted high base on nothing but athletic ability) and what was their success rate? Post that info and see how people feel after that.

[koolkatluke]

Eric Decker, Lance Moore, Julio Jones, Mike Williams, Victor Cruz, Justin Blackmon, Randall Cobb, Miles Austin, Ty Hilton, Jeremy Maclin, Torrey Smith, James Jones, Sidney Rice. Antonio Brown. Andre Roberts.

All i have put up better stats last year and none are number 1 receivers.

Here you go smart guy, this is a previous post by the way so Dont think im one of those posters that doesnt back up their statements. Look it up and see for yourself if you are still in denial.

Since you didn't understand what I was saying.

Show the targets and attempts by their QB's.

Cam only pass the ball 486 times. Some of the wr you have listed have QB's that passed the ball way more then Cam.

Example

TY Hilton --- Luck threw the ball 600+ times.

Then some of your WR were number 1 targets.

Example

Sid Rice got more targets then all other WR on the Seahawks.

Show the targets when making your argument. You can't compare Lafell to Victor Cruz. When Lafell was thrown to 76 times and Cruz was thrown to 143 times.

[carpanfan96]

Most of them aren't body catches. Look at the video, lmao

He's got elite speed.... 4.4 at 6-2 and 217.. is elite speed. His cutting ability is amazing and it helps him in route running. Look at how he abused Amerson, Slay and Flordia in the redzone with route running.

Lining up behind the LOS and going in motion is a product of the system he was in, but if you watched the video's I posted you'd see that a bunch of his routes were lined up normally and he killed some of the better CB prospects in the draft with route running.

Jump ball situations is also a product of the offense and the QB throwing the ball, but there's a nice example of his get up and get it skills in the overall highlight video I posted.

I also keep saying that his route running isn't that raw, he's got crisp cuts and goes cleanly in and out of his breaks. It shows that in the video's as well.

Yes, he ended up being the go to guy as the season progressed.

Over the last 4 games,

Hunter had 426 total yards

Patterson had 491 total yards, "412 receiving, 79 rushing" Patterson had more Receiving yards in three of those games" Patterson also had more offensive touches in the last four games as well.

I'll post examples of his route running. He turned Amerson around on a 9 route. He got Slay to bite inside on a 7 route in the endzone. Beat Flordia to the inside on a crisp endzone cut on a 2 route. Throughout those video's he shows great route running on 3's and 4's

When I posted that information, I also added in that there's really been no one like Patterson in the draft in a long time with his combination of size, speed, athleticism and lack of tape.

[koolkatluke]

Most of them aren't body catches. Look at the video, lmao

He's got elite speed.... 4.4 at 6-2 and 217.. is elite speed. His cutting ability is amazing and it helps him in route running. Look at how he abused Amerson, Slay and Flordia in the redzone with route running.

Lining up behind the LOS and going in motion is a product of the system he was in, but if you watched the video's I posted you'd see that a bunch of his routes were lined up normally and he killed some of the better CB prospects in the draft with route running.

Jump ball situations is also a product of the offense and the QB throwing the ball, but there's a nice example of his get up and get it skills in the overall highlight video I posted.

I also keep saying that his route running isn't that raw, he's got crisp cuts and goes cleanly in and out of his breaks. It shows that in the video's as well.

Yes, he ended up being the go to guy as the season progressed.

Over the last 4 games,

Hunter had 426 total yards

Patterson had 491 total yards, "412 receiving, 79 rushing" Patterson had more Receiving yards in three of those games" Patterson also had more offensive touches in the last four games as well.

I'll post examples of his route running. He turned Amerson around on a 9 route. He got Slay to bite inside on a 7 route in the endzone. Beat Flordia to the inside on a crisp endzone cut on a 2 route. Throughout those video's he shows great route running on 3's and 4's

When I posted that information, I also added in that there's really been no one like Patterson in the draft in a long time with his combination of size, speed, athleticism and lack of tape.

1. Elite speed is 4.3 and under. If 4.4 is elite then Justin Hunter has elite speed.

2. The fact you keep harping off of 1 highlight here and there is laughable. I can show Jarrett beating Leon Hall in the Rose Bowl 7 times. How did that work out again?

Why don't you look at a Nuke Hopkins, Allen, Patton, and Hunter video and you will see guys "consistently" beating guys with route running. Not 1 every 1 or 2 min.

3. I know you would try to use the "total yards" because you know he isn't good enough to use just the WR numbers. Hunter was the number 1 "WR" on the team all season. He didn't have to take hand offs and reverses to get his touches. Using rushing yards to try an prove number 1

Wr on the team is lame. Try again.

[nickzz]

patterson has elite speed and there's no arguing it, regardless of whatever his 40 time was.

[koolkatluke]

Most of them aren't body catches. Look at the video, lmao

He's got elite speed.... 4.4 at 6-2 and 217.. is elite speed. His cutting ability is amazing and it helps him in route running. Look at how he abused Amerson, Slay and Flordia in the redzone with route running.

Lining up behind the LOS and going in motion is a product of the system he was in, but if you watched the video's I posted you'd see that a bunch of his routes were lined up normally and he killed some of the better CB prospects in the draft with route running.

Jump ball situations is also a product of the offense and the QB throwing the ball, but there's a nice example of his get up and get it skills in the overall highlight video I posted.

I also keep saying that his route running isn't that raw, he's got crisp cuts and goes cleanly in and out of his breaks. It shows that in the video's as well.

Yes, he ended up being the go to guy as the season progressed.

Over the last 4 games,

Hunter had 426 total yards

Patterson had 491 total yards, "412 receiving, 79 rushing" Patterson had more Receiving yards in three of those games" Patterson also had more offensive touches in the last four games as well.

I'll post examples of his route running. He turned Amerson around on a 9 route. He got Slay to bite inside on a 7 route in the endzone. Beat Flordia to the inside on a crisp endzone cut on a 2 route. Throughout those video's he shows great route running on 3's and 4's

When I posted that information, I also added in that there's really been no one like Patterson in the draft in a long time with his combination of size, speed, athleticism and lack of tape.

1. Elite speed is 4.3 and under. If 4.4 is elite then Justin Hunter has elite speed.

2. The fact you keep harping off of 1 highlight here and there is laughable. I can show Jarrett beating Leon Hall in the Rose Bowl 7 times. How did that work out again?

Why don't you look at a Nuke Hopkins, Allen, Patton, and Hunter video and you will see guys "consistently" beating guys with route running. Not 1 every 1 or 2 min.

3. I know you would try to use the "total yards" because you know he isn't good enough to use just the WR numbers. Hunter was the number 1 "WR" on the team all season. He didn't have to take hand offs and reverses to get his touches. Using rushing yards to try an prove number 1

Wr on the team is lame. Try again.

[koolkatluke]

patterson has elite speed and there's no arguing it, regardless of whatever his 40 time was.

Elite speed is 4.3 and under.

Patterson is very fast but he isn't winning a track mete with Tavon Austin.

Austin is elite speed.

[nickzz]

Elite speed is 4.3 and under.

Patterson is very fast but he isn't winning a track mete with Tavon Austin.

Austin is elite speed.

i think patterson would beat austin in a race in full pads to be honest with you.

football speed =/= track speed. the way you come off the blocks has a HUGE effect on your time. it's not just speed in track, there's a lot of technique involved.

[LinvilleGorge]

Patterson would get his ass smoked by Austin. With pads, without pads, on the field, or on the track. Patterson is fast, but Austin is fuging FAST.

5'8" just terrifies me in the 1st round. Smitty is a one of a kind.

[carpanfan96]

No, 4-4 is elite speed. Sorry, it's even more elite when your 6-2 and nearly 220 pounds. The fact that Patterson is considered as explosive or more explosive then Austin says all I can say about this speed in pads argument. Check out McShay for the record who says that Patterson is just as explosive or even more so then Austin...

As for KKL,

1. Above. Patterson ran a 4.42, The clocking system had him at 4.38.... He's been clocked in the 4.2 range as well on track and has ran a 10.33 in the 100m dash. He's just as fast as Austin if not faster. He's officially been clocked at 4.27 in high school track. To compare his speed to Hunter is laughable at best, he's a better comparison to Austin and he might be faster. lol

Also Patterson's 40 time at the combine was with a major mistake on the take off and he still ran a 4.42 or 4.38 depending on which number you go by. That's elite speed.

2. Didn't harp one highlight, I mentioned multiple highlights. He abused Amerson on two big plays with route running. I told you to watch the video which is full of examples. I just gave you a few of them. Your ignorance and stupid bias towards Patterson made you not watch them. Not my fault.

3. I used both numbers, not just total yards. lol I also mentioned the fact that Patterson had more receiving yards then Hunter in 3 of the last 4 games.

Argument over...

I've proved he's just as fast as Austin, if not faster. His speed translates just as well to the field as well. I've used multiple examples to show his route running isn't as bad as any one says and that his route running cuts are exceptional. And showed stats that show he was being relied on more by Tennessee late in the season.

[carpanfan96]

Patterson would get his ass smoked by Austin. With pads, without pads, on the field, or on the track. Patterson is fast, but Austin is fuging FAST.

5'8" just terrifies me in the 1st round. Smitty is a one of a kind.

it's actually the other way around. Austin would get smoked by Patterson. Patterson is a track guy with a 10.33 second 100 meter and a personal best in the 40 of 4.27.

The fact is that Patterson is also a track star as well.

http://www.directath...ck/3932720.html First track year numbers..

Those numbers are faster then Devin Hester and a bunch of other NFL speedsters that are track stars.