Inconvenient Truth GM Edition(Hurney vs Gettleman)

[CRA]

Hahah so true. I always got flamed bad for saying he sucks for a couple years here.

The biggest counter-argument was: Hurney never misses a first pick lolol

Hahah so true. I always got flamed bad for saying he sucks for a couple years here.

The biggest counter-argument was: Hurney never misses a first pick lolol

Yep, people raved about Hurney's full retard moves overall....we just HAD to keep Double Trouble together, we just HAD to overpay CJ to keep him, James Anderson really WAS worth the cash bc he did have all those tackles despite incompetent guys sharing the field with him, Charles Godfrey is an above average S and deserves that deal, etc.

[TheRumGone]

Maybe not mirrored the exact guys brought in but a comparable caliber of guys brought in....after he made the Gmable cut and some obvious restructures. Only the Anderson cut appears something outside Hurney's wheelhouse.

I don't think Hurney was a bad GM.....until Richardson put Fox in that weird window, then Richardson dictated how we handled the lockout, etc.

Gettlemen certainly hasn't proven to be as good as Hurney WAS when he first got here

I just completely disagree. What was the cap like in 2002 when Hurney was hired? I was 14 years old, it couldn't have been worse than what Gettleman has had to deal with.

I think you have some sort of deep seeded resentment towards Gettleman because of his comments about read-option QB's.

[panther4life]

What would you have done? I'm not trying to be a dick, just want to know.

I posted back in February that I would have cut Gamble and Edwards. That saved 11.4 million right off the bat. I misunderstood all the details of Beason's contract and had us cutting him for a similar savings that Anderson ultimately did. I never thought of the Kalil and Olsen restructures but they are core players and in hindsight easy to see why Gettleman was okay with increasing their cap hits in future years to provide relief for this year. I calculated a Gross restructure that would have saved us 6 million, Gettleman stretched it to 6.8 million. I also suggested cutting Nakumara outright vs believing he'd take the paycut of 500k.

^^^

Point is I am just a fan and far from being cut out to be a GM or even an intern but even me a fan was able to forecast a good portion of the major moves that saved us money. Thats why I don't believe it to be a major stretch to believe Hurney could have done the same.17.2 million worth anyway.

The free agent signings that he chose to make outside of retaining Hurney guys are impossible to tell if they will pan out yet or if Hurney would have targeted the same guys. Granted he has the same scouting staff that Gettleman does, so unless he's throwing their opinions to the curb its quite plausible.

Tedd Ginn is one I can easily see. Reason being is Hurney went after Jacoby Jones last year who is comparable to Ginn. Also if memory serves correct we brought Drayton Florence in for a visit in the past but neglected to sign him at the time(good thing as his last contract was hefty).

The real Gettleman magic has not even occured yet. I believe it will but to say it's already been accomplished is premature imo.

also lets not forget rob rogers the "salary cap manager" is stil employed here and surely he knew we would have to find a way to clear some room and had to of had some kind of plan to get us out and if he didn't why was he not canned with Hurney?

[frash.exe]

It's a fugging message board. Why be such an asshole, fug we root for the same team.My post are made with the intent of gaining knowledge and sharing knowledge with other fans. This was me voicing my opinion, not stating facts so I did not mislead anyone in that regard.

If you feel that much of a need to be a prick to a stranger online...nevermind. Carry on. You enjoy it and thats all that matters.

idk I feel like it's kinda prickish to belittle others' opinions, many of which are very plausible. And btw what source are you getting this idea that Rob Rogers has been the man with the plan this entire time?

Gee, where would anybody get the idea that Hurney would've overpaid to keep Munnerlyn here? Oh I know it's because he's done that countless times over the years. When you do it consistently, you earn a reputation for it. In contrast, Gettleman came from the Giants (which is a better run organization no matter which way you slice it). And the way he handled Munnerlyn and Edwards and the FA situation involving them is a piece of evidence that he's changed the way we deal with personnel. Based on Hurney's methods we probably would've given Munnerlyn more than he was worth and let Edwards walk.

Also Ricky Manning didn't necessarily "walk". The Bears signed him to an offer sheet that outbid our tender at the time because he was a RFA, and we were duly compensated with a third round pick that year. And Richard Marshall was actually our starting corner at the time, not a nickleback.

Not one GM except for the one in Panthersland where fans exist that don't hold people accountable for anything that we could go year in and year out starting out millions over the cap while the overall talent level on this team plateaus.

[frash.exe]

and another thing regarding Hurney's interest in Jacoby Jones. He couldn't lure him here for whatever reason, but somehow, a year later, Gettleman imports a return guy from the NFC champions to play for us. ...And you don't see a difference in that? C'mon, get fuging real.

[MHS831]

The biggest difference, to me, is not the quality of the players-Gettlemen had negative money. The biggest difference is his willingness to address all of the positions on the field. We are actually looking at WR and DT now.

Do you think Gettlemen would have re-signed DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart to those monster deals? Shave about $20 million off the Charles Johnson deal and he still comes to Carolina--Marty was paranoid. Did Beason and Kalil really deserve to be the highest paid players at their positions in NFL history? When we thought Godfrey was a bust, Marty made him rich.

Maybe we need to see Gettlemen blow through about $70 million in cap space to change our minds, but Gettlemen is showing me that he understands free agency. I get the feeling that we will never be much of a free agent big spender, but we will pay a special player who can put us over the top. Spending $70 million to re-sign the core from a 2-14 team is CRAZY!!!

[CRA]

I just completely disagree. What was the cap like in 2002 when Hurney was hired? I was 14 years old, it couldn't have been worse than what Gettleman has had to deal with.

I think you have some sort of deep seeded resentment towards Gettleman because of his comments about read-option QB's.

lol....b/c I don't claim a GM is a genius a few months into the offseason where he hasn't done much outside some pretty obvious and small deals? Bpttom line is we don't know what Gettlemen is or isn't about yet. He could be great or a completely differently yet equally bad as Hurn-dawg.

And yeah, if you are a Cam Newton mega supporter, which I am..his comments are a tad worrisome. I easily admit that....but all that matters is Ron wins this year. Ron stays, Cam stays, and we continue to part of innovative NFL football. Give Gettlemen a clean slate and he seems more prone to hire a coach that isn't about the new Cam era of ball based on his old school mentality. History also shows new HC means new QB in 2 years pending he didn't inherit a Superbowl champ.

[CRA]

The biggest difference, to me, is not the quality of the players-Gettlemen had negative money. The biggest difference is his willingness to address all of the positions on the field. We are actually looking at WR and DT now.

Do you think Gettlemen would have re-signed DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart to those monster deals? Shave about $20 million off the Charles Johnson deal and he still comes to Carolina--Marty was paranoid. Did Beason and Kalil really deserve to be the highest paid players at their positions in NFL history? When we thought Godfrey was a bust, Marty made him rich.

Maybe we need to see Gettlemen blow through about $70 million in cap space to change our minds, but Gettlemen is showing me that he understands free agency. I get the feeling that we will never be much of a free agent big spender, but we will pay a special player who can put us over the top. Spending $70 million to re-sign the core from a 2-14 team is CRAZY!!!

All those are fair points....

But there are some that look at it and ask....how much was Hurney vs Richardson.

[Gabeking]

He's setting us up nicely to draft BPA, which hurney hasn't ever been able to do consistently. And if you look at the giants FA history during his period their, they barely ever missed on a signing (gettleman was in charge of free agency in NY). So it's giving us fans something to be optimistic for, nothing wrong with that.

[therealmjl]

fug this thread

[CRA]

He's setting us up nicely to draft BPA, which hurney hasn't ever been able to do consistently. And if you look at the giants FA history during his period their, they barely ever missed on a signing (gettleman was in charge of free agency in NY). So it's giving us fans something to be optimistic for, nothing wrong with that.

How do you figure we are more set up now than the day before he arrived. All be brought in was depth and some of that is questionable.

What holes did he fill? Outside of return man

[Cyberjag]

Remember how bad Fox was, and how he would never get another HC job?

Both Fox and Hurney were the best at their jobs the franchise had to that point, and they did a great job at making the Panthers relevant year in and year out. Both had flaws, but neither was nearly as bad as some of the posters here would have you believe. Right now, it's Hurney's turn to get dumped on, and it will be until people start disagreeing with stuff that Gettleman does.

I just hope that Gettleman does as well in his first few years as Hurney did in his. And I also hope that he doesn't get so attached to his own guys that he allows the team to suffer for it.

[OneBadCat]

How do you figure we are more set up now than the day before he arrived. All be brought in was depth and some of that is questionable.

What holes did he fill? Outside of return man

Well he brought Captain back and brought in DJ Moore. Those guys aren't starters but we now have two players who are #3(sometimes #2) caliber CB's who will be on the roster as the 3rd and 4th CB's. With Josh Thomas and Norman that is pretty good depth. No clear cut #1 CB but those guys won't be push overs.

Mike Mitchell brings competition and actually has some range which is some Nakamura never had. Not a clear cut starter but is probably an adequate player with competition.

I think Dave is setting us up to bring starters in through the draft. I think DT will be #1 because it doesn't look like we are signing anyone else and we need someone who can play NT. I don't think we're bringing anyone else in at CB and I"m in the minority here that would say it's not necessary.

A talented WR should be in our grasp in the first two rounds. He's building our team from the ground up which I think is awesome because it will show late in games when guys get tired and you need the secondary guys to fill in and come up bbig.

[CRA]

I think Dave is setting us up to bring starters in through the draft. I think DT will be #1 because it doesn't look like we are signing anyone else and we need someone who can play NT. I don't think we're bringing anyone else in at CB and I"m in the minority here that would say it's not necessary.

Starters? Plural? For 2013?

You are lucky to get one legit year one starter out of a draft. We have aren't going to plug all our holes with draft picks....I mean we could but that is the Hurney way( and as Steve Smith points out it makes it tough to win).

Realistically, if you replaced Amini and Norman last season with 2 average vets....we probably would have been a better team with more wins. They both should of been bench riders working on their game